A Federation Force User

[Mr. Oragahn]

They may have never mentioned it because -- for them -- the answer is common knowledge. The Jedi Order has been around for millenia; as you say, they probably tried increasing someone's Force sensitivity by artificially upping their midichlorian count ages ago, and it didn't work.

Or maybe it's simply totaly forbidden, or even unthinkable of.

Forbidden rings somewhat hollow; if the Jedi had forbade it for whatever reason the Sith would probably have still tried it anyway and there was never any record of that.

Huh? We're talking about fiddling with midichlorians. If anything, the Sith precisely managed, at some point, to manipulate the midichlorians and create life.

Not all Masters end in the Council. However, all members of the Council (and the other subones, according to the EU) require Masters.

Anakin's promotion was more an operation ploy than a true recognition of his talent and wisdom.

Anakin was on the council only as Palpatines representative; he was not made a Master. Windu even outright states this:

MACE: You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master.

I never said he was a Master. I should have precised what I meant by promotion though. Accessing the Council was the promotion.

[Praeothmin]

Only Qui-Gon's definition of midichlorians makes it clear that the midis are more than just a side effect, but literally what establishes the connection between an individual and the Force:

Quote:
ANAKIN : Master, sir...I've been wondering...what are midi-chlorians?
QUI-GON : Midi-chlorians are a microcopic lifeform that reside within all
living cells and communicates with the Force.
ANAKIN : They live inside of me?
QUI-GON : In your cells. We are symbionts with the midi-chlorians.
ANAKIN : Symbionts?
QUI-GON : Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the
midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the
Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force.
ANAKIN : They do??
QUI-GON : When you learn to quiet your mind, you will hear them speaking to
you.
ANAKIN : I don't understand.
QUI-GON : With time and training, Annie...you will.

To me, this clearly identifies the Midichlorians as the reason why Jedi and Sith, why any Force sensitive, can use the Force.
Since they communicate with the Force, it stands to reason that the more Midichlorians you have, the better this communication will be.

That's where I think you've gone over into speculation. We don't know if midichlorians are the reason people can use the force. Force potential may be the reason people have high midichlorian counts, not the reverse. We know Qui-Gonn believes midichlorians cause Force ability, but I got the impression that most Jedi don't agree with him on that.

Ted, he doesn't believe, he states it.
And since it's the only real indication we have (to my knowledge) of the interaction between the Midichlorians and the Force, and since it comes from someone who, although excentric, is still a Master, I have no reason to doubt what Qui-Gonn said.
I agree that the other Jedi don't necessarily believe about Anakin being a creation of the Force, but the movie clearly does not state that he is not. Thus while the council doesn't seem convinced, it might still be true, and it doesn't invalidate Qui-Gonn's earlier Midichlorian explanation.
This is like when Han witnessed the destruction of Alderaan.
He couldn't believe that a space vehicule could do it (before seeing the Death Star), while we, of the audience, already know it was possible.

And this is not speculation, this is simply agreeing with Qui-Gonn, who is a much Wiser Jedi then I... :)

And I don't see why all Masters should be on the council, it was my understanding that although you normally needed to be a Master to be on the coucil, you could be a Master and not be on the council.
And I thought only Masters were normally allowed to take on Padawans?

[Cpl Kendall]

And I don't see why all Masters should be on the council, it was my understanding that although you normally needed to be a Master to be on the coucil, you could be a Master and not be on the council.
And I thought only Masters were normally allowed to take on Padawans?

It seems that you can take on a Padawan as long as your at least a knight. Obi-wan after all took on Anikan right after he got promoted. Though Yoda didn't think it was a good idea, the rest of the council agreed with Obi-wan. And the fact that Obi-wan was going to do it without approval anyways pretty much implies that Jedi can start training whoever they feel like, whenever they want.

[Praeothmin]

It seems that you can take on a Padawan as long as your at least a knight. Obi-wan after all took on Anikan right after he got promoted. Though Yoda didn't think it was a good idea, the rest of the council agreed with Obi-wan. And the fact that Obi-wan was going to do it without approval anyways pretty much implies that Jedi can start training whoever they feel like, whenever they want.

Well, Ilike I said, I thought that normally a Jedi had to be a Master, but I think it could be as you say.
Is there any source that expands on this?
And as for Obi-Wan, remember how reluctant he was to promise to Qui-Gonn he would train Anakin?
So his statement that he would train him, with or without the council's approval doesn't prove that the council normally allows any Jedi Knight to take on Padawans, it mostly proves that Obi-Wan considered his promise to Qui-Gonn to be more important then any council rule, IMO.
Again, a source that expanded on this would help answer this question clearly.

[Cpl Kendall]

Well, Ilike I said, I thought that normally a Jedi had to be a Master, but I think it could be as you say.
Is there any source that expands on this?

I can't say, might be something in the EU but I try not to read trash.

And as for Obi-Wan, remember how reluctant he was to promise to Qui-Gonn he would train Anakin?
So his statement that he would train him, with or without the council's approval doesn't prove that the council normally allows any Jedi Knight to take on Padawans, it mostly proves that Obi-Wan considered his promise to Qui-Gonn to be more important then any council rule, IMO.

I would agree if Yoda had mentioned that he would be punished or "dealt with" in some manner for breaking some obvious rule if the council hadn't approved of it. But we got nothing. After all if Obi-wan can do it, than any Jedi can. Unless any other info comes up, I'm going with the "do what you want" reasoning.

Again, a source that expanded on this would help answer this question clearly.

I'll look on Wookiepedia for something seeing as that's all I've got available aside from Dark Lord.

[Cpl Kendall]

I found this on Wookiepedia:

In the post-Ruusan Jedi Order, Jedi training became much more organized and strict, with apprentices only being accepted for training as months-old children, with few exceptions. After younglings were tested and approved for Jedi training, they moved to the Jedi Temple to begin training in groups with a Jedi Master. Basic techniques were taught, such as Form I of lightsaber combat, and basic uses of the Force. Occasionally a Jedi Knight or Jedi Master came to check on a younglings' progress; if that Knight or Master saw a youngling with promise, he or she would, with the Jedi Council's approval, take that youngling as his or her Padawan.
Master Yoda teaches lightsaber combat to younglings.
Master Yoda teaches lightsaber combat to younglings.

The Padawan then traveled with his or her Master for a time, usually only a few years pre-adolescence to a few years post-adolescence, but the time spent could vary ad infinitum. The Jedi Knight/Master went on missions with his/her Padawan while teaching advanced lightsaber techniques and more about the Force. At the end of this training period, the teacher presented the Padawan before the High Council with a request for a Jedi Knighthood trial.

From here. However if you look at the page you will see that this info has no reference. So it could be a complete fabrication for all we know.

[Praeothmin]

I would agree if Yoda had mentioned that he would be punished or "dealt with" in some manner for breaking some obvious rule if the council hadn't approved of it. But we got nothing. After all if Obi-wan can do it, than any Jedi can. Unless any other info comes up, I'm going with the "do what you want" reasoning.

Yeah, Ithink you're right.
Good point.

Then I will immediately take on a Padawan, to share my Forcely knowle... My experimencing of the Forc... bleh, forget about it, too much work... :)

[SailorSaturn13]

Yes The idea is that a knight can take a padawan. Once his padawan succeeds in trials and becomes a knight himself,, the old knight can apply for rank of master.



A more interesting question is: why there are no "force wielders", that is, self-taught force users who are neither Jedi nor Sith?

[Mr. Oragahn]

A more interesting question is: why there are no "force wielders", that is, self-taught force users who are neither Jedi nor Sith?

That's a question I remember talking about, and I think rown had a page about that.
The idea is the Jedi have a very strong support from most planetary governments or kingdoms, and somehow, tests are run.
The other element being that apparently, it requires someone guiding you to fully exploit your talents.
The Jedi Purge, by destroying the Jedi's system, probably made sure that the pool of Force potentials would become wild again, not totally vampirized by the Jedi Order, used to fetch kids out of their families once and for all, to teach them the "good ways" of the Force.