Borg industry at their peak

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:59 pm

Reading a thread at SB.com really wanted me to know if you guys had any idea as how long it takes for the Borg to build a fleet of standard Cubes, planetary outposts, space stations or whatever they use, and just how many?

Kazeite · Post by **Kazeite** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:51 pm

If I recall correctly, the Cube from "Q Who" have regenerated 20% of damage in a matter of minutes, right?

GStone · Post by **GStone** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:02 pm

In Regeneration, before it was blown up, the surviving borg had already overtaken a space ship and started making a cube around it. It wasn't that big, but if it was also grabbing asteroids and other floating debris, as it headed for the delta quadrent, it'd have had a cube of standard size in short order, long before it was a significant distance through the alpha quadrent. And this is initially with ENT era speeds, since the E-NX caught up with it. Assuming they could use their nanobots to make the standard fuel source for modern borg propulsion systems, it wouldn't be long before they could be heading home at regular cube speeds.

This would show a capacity far in excess of the Federation, which itself is impressive. I wish I had a copy of the starbase/industrial capacity thread from strek-v-swars.

vivftp · Post by **vivftp** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:07 am

GStone wrote:In Regeneration, before it was blown up, the surviving borg had already overtaken a space ship and started making a cube around it. It wasn't that big, but if it was also grabbing asteroids and other floating debris, as it headed for the delta quadrent, it'd have had a cube of standard size in short order, long before it was a significant distance through the alpha quadrent. And this is initially with ENT era speeds, since the E-NX caught up with it. Assuming they could use their nanobots to make the standard fuel source for modern borg propulsion systems, it wouldn't be long before they could be heading home at regular cube speeds.

This would show a capacity far in excess of the Federation, which itself is impressive. I wish I had a copy of the starbase/industrial capacity thread from strek-v-swars.

What? There's no evidence they were build a cube around the vessel. They were simply modifying and enhancing the technology with their own. Also, how do you propose nanoprobes make fuel when we don't know what the fuel is and what process is required to produce it?

And since the thread on SB is already referenced, it might as well be linked to:

http://forum.spacebattles.com/showthrea ... t&t=123990

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:23 am

Those regeneration features sound like what a body does to repair tissue.

As long as you don't damage it too much, your skin can be repaired. But burn it severely, or cut a limb, and your hand's tissue is not going to regenerate at all.

That's probably the same for the Borg, only happening faster.
With all the redudancy that goes, they can patch small parts of their ship, as long as the proportions remain tolerable.

Another question.
What's that planet destroyed in Scorpion? It looks like it's covered by... a CGI texture.

Just kidding, it seems that all the surface is covered by a huge city.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:25 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:What's that planet destroyed in Scorpion? It looks like it's covered by... a CGI texture.

Just kidding, it seems that all the surface is covered by a huge city.

Coruscant.
Notice the absence of planetary shields... :)

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:31 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:What's that planet destroyed in Scorpion? It looks like it's covered by... a CGI texture.

Just kidding, it seems that all the surface is covered by a huge city.
Coruscant.
Notice the absence of planetary shields... :)

Dang, they even assimilated the name.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:01 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Those regeneration features sound like what a body does to repair tissue.

As long as you don't damage it too much, your skin can be repaired. But burn it severely, or cut a limb, and your hand's tissue is not going to regenerate at all.

That's probably the same for the Borg, only happening faster.
With all the redudancy that goes, they can patch small parts of their ship, as long as the proportions remain tolerable.

Another question.
What's that planet destroyed in Scorpion? It looks like it's covered by... a CGI texture.

Just kidding, it seems that all the surface is covered by a huge city.

Well it is a Borg planet, so having it heavily built-up with structures makes sense. We see something very similar with the assimilated alternate timeline Earth in ST:FC.

As for the Borg cube regeration, it is rather impressive. Here is the 20% cratering caused by the E-D in "Q Who?":

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 41&pos=186

It does take some time for a Borg cube to regenerate (approximately 8-10 minutes), but as the process goes on, it gets faster as we see the craters in real time "heal" themselves up in seconds:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 41&pos=238

The entire cube completely regenerated:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 41&pos=263

That's a very impressive amount of damage to repair so quickly. In BoBW, it is estimated that a Borg cube can keep operating, even if 78% of it is destroyed. This fits in well with the size of the Borg debris seen in "Scorpion, Part I":

http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 56&pos=163

So is possible that a Borg cube can reconstruct itself, given sufficent time.
-Mike

GStone · Post by **GStone** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:06 pm

vivftp wrote:
GStone wrote:In Regeneration, before it was blown up, the surviving borg had already overtaken a space ship and started making a cube around it. It wasn't that big, but if it was also grabbing asteroids and other floating debris, as it headed for the delta quadrent, it'd have had a cube of standard size in short order, long before it was a significant distance through the alpha quadrent. And this is initially with ENT era speeds, since the E-NX caught up with it. Assuming they could use their nanobots to make the standard fuel source for modern borg propulsion systems, it wouldn't be long before they could be heading home at regular cube speeds.

This would show a capacity far in excess of the Federation, which itself is impressive. I wish I had a copy of the starbase/industrial capacity thread from strek-v-swars.
What? There's no evidence they were build a cube around the vessel. They were simply modifying and enhancing the technology with their own.

Yes...making modifications to the ship of the past by adding external pieces that were surprisingly blocky and rectangular with an overall cube side shape to some of it. Their nanobots build borg things, which includes block shaped ships. It isn't that much of a stretch to think they're making a cube.

Also, how do you propose nanoprobes make fuel when we don't know what the fuel is and what process is required to produce it?

I said assuming they could, they'd have normal borg propulsion.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:28 pm

Here's the shots of the heavily modified Earth ship:

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 90&pos=484

A pic to provide comparison of just how much the Borg altered the transport ship with this screencap showing the vessel at a relatively early stage (the one above and attacking the larger cargo ship):

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/display ... 90&pos=219

So the idea that the Borg were slowly rebuilding a cube isn't too far fetched.
-Mike