Time travel

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Post by Admiral Naismith » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:23 pm

Sorry for my late reply but I have very limited internet access and this is my first chance.
Trinoya wrote:It's pretty much a given that the federation would never directly affect the time line with the single exception being to save the federation. They'd have to be loosing a war fairly big time, and in such a manner that it was unthinkable that they'd have a normal chance of winning in order for that to happen. By the 29th century, the federation has gone so far as to police time just to prevent it from being altered at all.
That’s why I said if they chose to use it. They probably wouldn’t unless some thing really bad happened, but if earth or another major planet got blown up then they might.
I did forget about the time cops but I’ll address that latter.
Trinoya wrote: On a different note: Just letting time travel win it for the feds is hardly a worthwhile debate :P

Just saying.
No it isn’t but it would make a good trump card when the more enthusiastic pro-wars debaters claim that a tie fighter could beat a galaxy class ship.
“The feds just go back and tell the jedi that the chancellor is a sith, Anakin is about to go to the dark side, and to look out for clones.”
And alls fair with love and warsies.
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Dude, you get extra points for the sheer coolness of bearing Miles' Dendarii grade!
Thanks I thought it would make a good pseudonym.
Mr. Oragahn wrote:You wonder why it's not used much more, notably by all the enemies of the Federation.
It's just the most convenient plot excuse to be used, and in all fairness, I hate time travel.
Well the feds don’t like to mess with the time line most of the time, and tight security might be able to keep it out of the other powers hands, it was discovered by accident after all. Or maybe the newer ship can't handle solar slingshot. (That doesn't seem to likely to me.)

Since there are fed time cops in the 29th century then there has to be a federation so the federation has to survive any wars up to that point or else that changes the time line.
(That makes sense right, I must have been sick the day they taught temporal mechanics at school.) This would mean that the feds must use whatever means necessary to survive.
Of course they could just be impersonating federation oficers.
Mike DiCenso wrote:In the case of the Federation versus the Galactic Empire, the Federation may chose to use time travel, since any contact between the SW galaxy and the events seen the in the OT and PT and the Milky Way galaxy requires a form of time travel in and of itself, and therefore prolonged contact with the SW galaxy would be a temporal violation as it would have a potentially profound inpact on the SW galaxy's future.
-Mike
That is something to think about. It might be best to just ignore the "a long time ago" line for the debate.[/quote]

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:56 pm

You mean for the purposes of this particlar thread's, discussion, yes?
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Post by Admiral Naismith » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:19 pm

i don't know, if you have any thoughts on the matter i would like to hear them

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:51 pm

My take on it is that the "long time ago" is as much an integral part of the whole Star Wars story's background as anything else. Whether it be years, decades, or centuries difference is irrelevant, the Federation would be making contact with the SW galaxy in it's past, and as such it would be a temporal violation. The Federation would likely do everything it can to prevent interference with the SW galaxy's natural development, and would actively seek to cut off contact. If that means using time travel to do so, then so be it.
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Post by Trinoya » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:32 pm

Which is why a better assumption, for the matter, is that some sort of wormhole crosses both time and space to bring the two together, a naturally occurring event. That said, when the federation actually discovers it is a, 'long time ago' they also discover that there was apparently a prolonged contact with a 'federation of planets' in that galaxy.

Meaning that to preserve the timeline, they must let events unfold however they may ^_^

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