Genesis after TWOK?

[Batman]

Excuse me, but I have had to say that.
I hate it if some people like Batman always demand proof despite any plausibility.
We have never seen toilets on the Enterprise. We have seen showers, bathtubs and washbasins - but - as far as I know - never toilets.
If someone would argue that they are there nevertheless, somone like Batman would still demand a proof for this.

As a matter of fact no I wouldn't, because SOME sort of sort of excrement removal facility is needed unless by TNG people no longer need to shit and toilets have been the preferred method for that for quite a time and are likely to continue to do so. So toilets (or something serving their function) MUST exist. The same is not true for post-TWOK Genesis. Feel free to point out the situations that would have required a working Genesis device operating somewhere off-screen the way TNG requires toilets.

If asked why he would think that, he would complain that one demand a negative proof from him. After all, he couldn't proof that there are no toilets.

And I would be correct. UNLIKE the Genesis device there NEED to be toilets or something doing their function in Trek. There does NOT need to be Genesis after TWOK.

That's so stupid.

What you're saying? Definitely.

You can't really argue with such persons.
They don't even notice that they appear like a fool when they argue that way because everybode else can see what is plausible and what is implausible and while demanding unnecessary proofs they aren't bringing forward real and cogent arguments to make their own position more plausible.

The one to appear like a fool is definitely not me. Your argument being plausible or not is IRRELEVANT. The question is, IS IT SUPPORTED BY THE EVIDENCE. And the argument that Genesis exists past TWOK is NOT.

Otherwise we have to assume that there were Genesis constructional drawings saved somewhere.

We most definitely do NOT have to assume that. I happen to agree that it is LIKELY but there's no information in the movie actually CONFIRMING that.

But the novel states also that they have brought these informations in the Genesis cave in Regula One.
And the novel of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock states that these informations were brought to Earth by the Enterprise.
It may be that the novels are not canon. But that this has happened is - even without the novels - more than likely.

It's not that it MAY happen those novels aren't canon. It IS A FACT that they aren't. And I don't care if it is LIKELY that that happened. Show that it CANONICALLY DID, and that it included the information about David's modifications.

There are no information in Star Trek CONFIRMING that there are toilets on board of the Enterprise and he doesn't care if it is LIKELY that they are there. I would have to show that they CANONICALLY are there - even if they are mentioned in a novel - because it IS A FACT that the novel isn't canon.

The difference being, there MUST be toilets or some facility serving their function on the big E unless mankind's biology significantly changed by the 24th century so DESPITE there indeed being no canonical evidence for their existence I accept they have to exist, in some form. There is no need for Genesis to exist past TWOK and there is no evidence supporting it does.
As opposed to toilets which are supported by the evidence of humans apparently still being humans in the 24rd century.

[Who is like God arbour]

I have known that you would bring forward that objection. But belief it or not, now you argue that way because it is LIKELY - thus more plausible.

There still is no information in the movie actually CONFIRMING that. And neither you nor I could show that there are CANONICALLY toilets onboard of the Enterprise.

One could argue that the fact that toilets were never shown support the assumption that TNG people no longer need to shit. Or that the excrements are continuously beamed out of the bowels so that the crew doesn't lose time while using toilets and isn't distracted by the urge to use toilets.

But that's - like the existence of toilets - not CANONICALLY CONFIRMED, isn't it?
And it is not really plausile, is it?
At any rate, it is less plausible than the assumption that there still are toilets onboard of the Enterprise, isn't it?

Otherwise we have to assume that there were Genesis constructional drawings saved somewhere.

We most definitely do NOT have to assume that. I happen to agree that it is LIKELY but there's no information in the movie actually CONFIRMING that.

The question is simple: Either they have made construction drawings or they have made no construction drawings. Only one of these both option can be right. And one has to be right while the other has to be wrong. It's impossible that both options are wrong or right.

We have no explicit proofs for both options. The question is, which option is more plausible.

Do you really think that they wouldn't make construction drawings of the Genesis device and copies of the onboard software? The Genesis device is a highly complex device that one person allone couldn't totally remember. Show me one engineer or scientist who wouldn't make construction drawings and copies in a similar case in the process of constructing.

Such construction drawings are needed like toilets if you eventually want to build another Genesis device.

But the novel states also that they have brought these informations in the Genesis cave in Regula One.
And the novel of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock states that these informations were brought to Earth by the Enterprise.
It may be that the novels are not canon. But that this has happened is - even without the novels - more than likely.

It's not that it MAY happen those novels aren't canon. It IS A FACT that they aren't. And I don't care if it is LIKELY that that happened. Show that it CANONICALLY DID, and that it included the information about David's modifications.

Again, the question is simple: Either they have brought the records of the Genesis technology - along with the prototype - in the Genesis Cave or they haven't done it. Only one of these both option can be right. And one hast to be right while the other has to be wrong. It's impossible that both options are wrong or right.

We have no explicit proofs for both options. The question is, which option is more plausible.

If they would have wanted to save Genesis - and the fact that they haven't destroyed the prototype but have tried to hide it, support this assumption - they would have made copies of the construction drawings and would have hide them along with the prototype.

There is no plausible reason why they would have destroyed all construction drawings if they were convinced that they would have been safe in the Genesis cave. And that they were convinced that they would have been save in the Genesis Cave shows the fact that they haven't destroyed the prototype but have hide it in it. If the Genesis Cave wouldn't have been assumed as safe, they would have destroyed the whole Genesis technology - prototype and all records - before letting it fall in the hands of Khan.





As you should be able to see, I argue only with what is plausible. But you don't argue at all. You don't show why you think that this isn't plausible. You only say that it is not CANONICALLY CONFIRMED and unnecessarily demand proof where we all know that there are no proofs and we can only argue what would be plausible.