Dilithium is a fuel?

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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by theta_pinch » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Lucky wrote:
theta_pinch wrote: Again the dilithium in the planet was extremely unusual hence it is not the kind use on warpcores.
The only strange thing was the amount of dilithium in the planets, and the way it was growing in Pen Pals. There was nothing abnormal about the dilithium. Dilithium is basically quartz with a power-level OVER 9000!


It's crystal structure was odd hence the dilithium was abnormal. It was an uncommon isotrope of dilithium similar to graphite and diamond.

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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:30 pm

theta pinch wrote:Also "Fuelled by a matter - antimatter reaction" is a description of how it generates energy not a description of pressure vessel.
Actually, Lucky is technically correct since the quote provided uses teradynes to describe the warp core:

(the borg drone)ONE: "Warp core. Fuelled by a matter - antimatter reaction which produces a maximum output of four thousand terradynes per second, providing power for faster than light propulsion."

A Dyne is an actual unit of measurement that measures surface tension. It is not a measurement of energy or power per se, but you could work out how much mechanical energy that represents and then convert it to watts or joules.. A Dyne per cm squared converts to 1.4 pounds/psi. So the warp core is capable of withstanding 5,600,000,000,000,000 psi!
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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by Lucky » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:59 am

theta_pinch wrote: It's crystal structure was odd hence the dilithium was abnormal. It was an uncommon isotrope of dilithium similar to graphite and diamond.
No, it was just growing in an odd manner
Franchise: Star Trek Series: The Next Generation Season: 2 Episode: 15 Title: Pen Pals wrote: DAVIES: We would have missed it if Ensign Crusher hadn't requested an ico-gram, but he did, and 


WESLEY: Drema Four has the largest deposit of dilithium ore ever recorded. It's also laid down in a very unusual pattern. The crystals are growing to form perfectly aligned lattices. 


HILDEBRANDT: The ore is forming generator strata. 


ALANS: Which creates a piezoelectric effect. 


PICARD: In plain English, you're saying the dilithium is causing the geological catastrophe. 


ALANS: Right, the crystals take the natural radiant heat of the planet 


HILDEBRANDT: Focus it, and turn it into mechanical energy. 


ALANS: Which increases tectonic stresses 


HILDEBRANDT: That tear the planet apart. 


DAVIES: And then the crystals break down, which is why we found all these traces of illium 629.
Franchise: Star Trek Series: The Original Series Season: 03 Episode: 02 Title: Elaan of Troyius wrote: SPOCK: Captain, these are crude crystals. There is no way to judge what the unusual shapes will do to the energy flow.
I don't see any strange crystals in Pen Pals. other then how the crystals grew.

The Voyager episode Threshold is an example of a new form of dilithium which may explain the weirdness better then warp 10 being the cause.

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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by 2046 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:37 am

Mike DiCenso wrote: A Dyne is an actual unit of measurement that measures surface tension. It is not a measurement of energy or power per se, but you could work out how much mechanical energy that represents and then convert it to watts or joules.. A Dyne per cm squared converts to 1.4 pounds/psi. So the warp core is capable of withstanding 5,600,000,000,000,000 psi!
-Mike
Actually the surface tension measure would be dynes per centimeter, or force over area in generic lay terms. Applying that to the warp core quote would require the surface area of the core to be worked out and employed, but even then it's iffy.

A dyne is an older unit of force, and it takes 100,000 of them to make a newton.

What I was brain-farting about in an earlier post was whether the concept of the warp core being given a measure in regards to force might be salvageable in the sense of the equation here meant to avoid the concept of relativistic mass. That is, the application of the dyne unit would potentially be useful if we pondered a change of reactant momentum related to the localized change of the speed of light due to the dilithium matrix that was being considered in that post.

It's a reach (and a half), and there's still no good reason for the use of dynes rather than newtons in that concept, but it worked in my brain in context, though I haven't had opportunity to try to work it into any practical example. It may come to a dead stop anyway now that I'm reminded that he gave a figure in dynes per second . . . momentum's unit is the newton-second ("times" not "per").

In any event, I don't know that we could then be able to derive a power from that statement even in the best case where that brain fart applies.

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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by 359 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:09 pm

Teradynes per second is like Data's gigawatts per second. And if one takes that to be the output of the engines that would mean the ship could increase its rate of acceleration by 57.1429 m/s/s/s. Of course the figure may not be related to engine output but it does help clarify how silly dynes/second is.

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Re: Dilithium is a fuel?

Post by 2046 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:36 pm

I sometimes think inappropriately hostile thoughts about Andre Bormanis. This is one such moment.

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