A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

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A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:53 am

USS Enterprise D from "Yesterday Enterprise" was much more military starship then USS Enterprise D from timeline we known. I knew what you all thinking that UFP was loses that war againstKlingon Empire. However I might want say that Section 31 might have launch a germs that would kill off Klingon race before the UFP would force to give up and raise the white flag. In this timeline USS Enterprise D did not return the Enterprise C to her time line. Q send the Enterprise D to meet Borg as he did in our timeline we all known. How do you think things would have gone?

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by The Dude » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:08 am

Jasonb wrote:USS Enterprise D from "Yesterday Enterprise" was much more military starship then USS Enterprise D from timeline we known. I knew what you all thinking that UFP was loses that war againstKlingon Empire. However I might want say that Section 31 might have launch a germs that would kill off Klingon race before the UFP would force to give up and raise the white flag. In this timeline USS Enterprise D did not return the Enterprise C to her time line. Q send the Enterprise D to meet Borg as he did in our timeline we all known. How do you think things would have gone?
1. If after twenty years of war S31 hadn't got off it's arse and deployed a bio-weapon against the KE then I think we can safely rule that out.

2. There is no indication that Q even showed up in that timeline.

3. We don't know much about the E-D's capabilities in this time line but given the Federation has been fighting a losing war for twenty years they'll probably just destroy it. The OT E-D could have done it anyways, Picard kept them from doing it.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:37 am

There are ways to got hint on how tough of shipship USS Enterpise D from Yesterday's Enterpise is. USS Enterpise D was not destory when it had a core breach.. During that battle with KE. Normal that would destory a Galaxy class starship. So question able how effective the weapons the borg would have been.

Now lets look weapons of this ship. In Star Trek Generations) the USS Enterpise D was have a lot problem destory out date bird of prey. USS Enterpise D from the Yesterday's Enterpise was able to do it in few secounds.

I will put another post why think that S31 is did something like that it was working.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by The Dude » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:25 am

Jesus man, use spell check will you?
Jasonb wrote:There are ways to got hint on how tough of shipship USS Enterpise D from Yesterday's Enterpise is. USS Enterpise D was not destory when it had a core breach.. During that battle with KE. Normal that would destroy a Galaxy class starship. So question able how effective the weapons the borg would have been.
Was the core breach about to happen/in progress/or had it happened. Because you know, call me crazy but I think the E-D would have a problem doing anything with the lower half blown apart.
Now lets look weapons of this ship. In Star Trek Generations) the USS Enterpise D was have a lot problem destroy out date bird of prey. USS Enterpise D from the Yesterday's Enterpise was able to do it in few seconds.
Did you watch GEN? The BoP was shooting through it's shields due to the Geordi's glasses showing the Duras sisters what the shield frequency was.

And yes the E-D shot down a BoP in the episode but it was still destroyed by the other two.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:35 am

It was in progress sorry I thought I found something show that how tough it was. Reason I think Sc 31 used biological-weapons against the KE. The word Surrender and prepare to be Boarded. That means the Kiligons are plan sending some soldiers onto a starship that is going blow up in less then two minutes. Can you think of any other reason why the Kiligions would want to send their fine warriors on to starship that is going blow up in less then two 2 minutes?

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:35 am

It was in progress sorry I thought I found something show that how tough it was. Reason I think Sc 31 used biological-weapons against the KE. The word Surrender and prepare to be Boarded. That means the Kiligons are plan sending some soldiers onto a starship that is going blow up in less then two minutes. Can you think of any other reason why the Kiligions would want to send their fine warriors on to starship that is going blow up in less then two 2 minutes?

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by The Dude » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:03 am

Jasonb wrote:It was in progress sorry I thought I found something show that how tough it was. Reason I think Sc 31 used biological-weapons against the KE. The word Surrender and prepare to be Boarded. That means the Kiligons are plan sending some soldiers onto a starship that is going blow up in less then two minutes. Can you think of any other reason why the Kiligions would want to send their fine warriors on to starship that is going blow up in less then two 2 minutes?
What in the world does boarding have to do with S31 using NBC weapons against the KE?

And I can think of a very good reason, prisoners. They have transporters, in and out shouldn't be that much of a problem.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:48 pm

I can see many problems with that logic. First why wast the time beam over when ship risk so their men. The Kiligions could just easily beam survival crew members USS Enterprise D on to ship take POW that way. Way board a starship in minutes is going blow up. Beyond there going problems even if Federation crew USS Enterprise D raise White flag will going Kiligions other dangers. A ship that is going to blow up in a few minutes is going to have lot danger surprise for anyone who is on even before it blows up. For that matter the team on the ship might not even return.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by The Dude » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:50 pm

Yes and the Klingon's have been known to do incredibly foolish things in wartime, the boarding of DS9 is a good example. Of course there is a very simple answer here, they did not know the core was failing.

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Re: A borg cube vs USS Enterpise D from "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Post by Jasonb » Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:42 am

I think very unlikely they did not know the core was failing. Are you sugest that they did not sensors that pick that up I find that very unlikely. Even the Enterprise could pick it up. As for Deep Space Nine their different there. Boarding of DS9 is a wound sound like something Kiligions might try do. While yes a longer number of them even all them might will died in battle it that way they want to die. Not beaming on to a starship going to blow up.

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