Defiant's ROF...

[Praeothmin]

I decided to do some "Youtubing", and wanted to see videos of the Defiant.
The first one I saw made me think of the claims by the SW fans that the ROF of ST ships sucked.

Well, this video disagrees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txDYihz8Ngk

Enjoy... :)

PS: it starts out slow, but it gets better real quick... :)

[Jedi Master Spock]

I decided to do some "Youtubing", and wanted to see videos of the Defiant.
The first one I saw made me think of the claims by the SW fans that the ROF of ST ships sucked.

Well, this video disagrees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txDYihz8Ngk

Enjoy... :)

PS: it starts out slow, but it gets better real quick... :)

To me, it is more interesting to see how wildly the bolt speed varies than to see the ROF the Defiant is capable of.

[AFT]

The first one I saw made me think of the claims by the SW fans that the ROF of ST ships sucked.

Didn’t you know? The ROF of ST ships never sucked, once again it’s only at best a partially supported claim by the SW crowd.

[Praeothmin]

Aft wrote:

Didn’t you know? The ROF of ST ships never sucked, once again it’s only at best a partially supported claim by the SW crowd.

I hadn't seen DS9 ship battles in a long while.
And of course this brings to mind ST: Nemesis, as we see the E-E fire multiple phaser beams in a very short time.

And what I find amusing is that in SW, apart from ROTS, we never see Capship guns fire more then once every few seconds.
The ROF in ANH (when the ISD fires at the Corellian Corvette) isn't that impressive.

[l33telboi]

Are you sure they weren't referring to number of weapon emplacements firing simultaneously rather then rate of fire? You can't really get a higher rate of fire then a continuous beam.

As for the Defiant, the pulse phasers on it never struck me as having a low rate of fire.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Yes, ROF would only apply to pulse weapons, or anything that fire distinctive unique projectiles.

That said, for all I've seen about the Defiant, it's like ship mounted with machine guns ang big engines.

[AFT]

I hadn't seen DS9 ship battles in a long while.

DS9 space battles are often claimed as proof of low ROF without taking into account that we only get to see a few and a small part of those battles. Despite all that has been said and written about the DW there are only a handful of battles actually shown on screen. For much of my dismay, when I bought the DVD sets I expected to see a lot of space battles, imagine my surprise when I found out that we only get a space battle at the begging and the end of each season, hell not even that, the opening battle of season 6 was pushed to the sixth episode and on season 7 we didn’t find a battle until way after past half the season. A grand total of five major space battles. More surprisingly, upon taking a close look at those battles we found examples of decent ROF at least for Starfleet vessels.

However, this claim goes back to TNG where is often said that the E-D only fired a shot every time that they engaged on a firefight without realizing than on most of those situations the E-D never had the intention of destroying the opposing vessel, just to force them to stop firing and start talking, bringing down the shields of the other vessel often made the trick and the E-D just happen to have enough firepower to do so on most ships with only one shot. Even Cardassian Galor class ships had their forward shields disabled after a few seconds of phaser fire. But during “The Survivors” the E-D was able to fire 7 phaser blasts and 12 torpedoes in about 6 seconds (two 3 seconds volleys) and they only stopped firing because the Husnock disabled their weapons control or something like that. Clearly when it need to, the E-D is perfectly able to sustain a high ROF. So much for another half-cooked claim.

[Praeothmin]

Well, for torpedo fire, you need not look any further then "Encounter at Farpoint", where the E-D fires one volley of ten torpedoes at the pursuing vessel (that was later revealed as Q).

[AFT]

Well, for torpedo fire, you need not look any further then "Encounter at Farpoint", where the E-D fires one volley of ten torpedoes at the pursuing vessel (that was later revealed as Q).

Mhhh, let me see (takes DVD set from the shelf, places disc on the DVD player)…Ahh, yeah, a full salvo but the number of photons fired is not quite clear, it could have been five or ten, anyway the ROF seems to be one every second but let see “Code of Honor” right there on the same disc…six torpedoes fired on about three seconds or two torpedoes every second, but a better example is on Season 4 “Half a Life”. There the E-D fired two clusters of four torpedoes, each cluster took about two seconds. They called that a “volley”. At that ROF it would take the E-D a couple of minutes to fire all her photon torpedoes complement. No wonder why the E-E ran out of torpedoes fighting the Scimitar.

[GStone]

Okay, yeah. Major necromancy, but this is important. This vid has been down for some time and the only place I could find that has it is google cache. I was gonna say for anyone that wanted it, to find a free streaming video capture and download it quick before it disappears for good, but here. It's best to just right click and save it as soon as possible. As far as I know, this isn't against the board's rules.