Mr. Oragahn wrote:Currently, a troll invasion would make this board collapse.
The greatest lesson isn't for SWST to learn, but for mods and JMS.
There is still no sign of permaban despite most of us wishing for SWST to be dealt with once and for all.
Surely it's not a democracy, but it's not a gulag either. People can leave at any time.
We've already lost l33telboi and Mith, WILGA* as well, plus that other bloke from SDN. And others.
No, I don't think so, not entirely. A single, troll feigning politeness , like SWST, is what would cause problems, because at first you can't tell if you are dealing with someone who just doesn't know any better.
But if we had suffered a classic troll invasion, like what SDN used to do way back in the day with TrekBBS, the first ST-v-SW.Net board that RSA ran, and STrek-v-SWars.Net's board, it would be obvious and it would be dealt with as quickly and easily as KSW and his merry band of sockpuppets were. Only it go full permaban mode.
Would it be a massive disruption? You betcha. But that's I think the trial by fire that this board really missed out on that might have put it on the map. What made ST-v-SW.Net and especially STrek-v-SWars.Net's board work is that after
those board invasions, a number of the invaders from SDN stayed behind and actually legitimately took part in the debates there and actually dare I say, enjoyed themselves once they saw that they could really, truly debate Star Trek versus Star Wars again without having to worry about Wong or ICS.
Sadly, because of the failure of the three non-SDN/SBC boards before this one, the momentum was largely lost for that sort of thing and people just settled into a state of apathy, and there was no expectation back then in 2006 when this board started that it would go the distance. Which is a shame as once TCW started three years ago, it would have shifted the debate back the other direction, and indeed it has as witnessed by the huge impact the series has had on SBC and the Holy Sanctity of AOTC: ICS there. Yeah sure there was efforts like your own there that got people realizing that the movies didn't support Saxtonian ICS numbers, but what people really needed to convince themselves was a big In-Your-Face thing, like TCW that was above the EU that Warsies kept falling back on over and over, but was directly approved and worked on by George Lucas himself
. Thus they could not seriously question it.
I think in part that's why Kane departed. You can see here during RSA's "TCW CGI show and The State of the Debate"
that he began to acknowledge in a round about sort of way what a serious game changer the CGI series was and what a live-action series would mean, if that ever got into production
If you were him, why would you want to stay and have that pounded over your head? It's worse for a Warsie than ICS is for a Trekkie.
In short, the real problem for this board is that it is slightly out of phase with the ideal timeframe to grab up as many members from both sides and hold onto them as loyal members, and quietly on the side people have agreed that ICS was a bunch of BS. What we have done here at SFJN is just steadfastly document the material that shows what a Big Lie the foundations of the Saxtonian-authored ICS really were with the Base Delta Zero and "List of expanded universe sources incompatible with ICS" threads.