Re: Mr. Oragahn and Mojo's warning's fair?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:31 pm
maybe i'm misunderstanding something here, but if the mods here admit that they all realize that swst is trolling the board and has been trolling the board from his very first post, and that there is effort being expended toward the goal of removing him, why in the world isn't he getting warnings every time he pulls the same crap over and over again? the explanation that there are no rules specifically forbidding the things he does is laaaaame. there is only one damn rule!
as mods and as members who love this board you staff have a responsibility to protect the board from harm. even if that means stretching the boundaries a bit when necessary. if jms does not see that swst is worthy of banning, you have a responsibility to make him understand or even to go around him if you must. this is his forum, of course, but when you accepted the position as a mod, wasn't it because you love this place and don't want to see it hurt? is the loyalty, in the end, for jms or for sfj? if the answer is jms then we're fucked. if it's sfj, though, it's time to stop complaining about how hard it is to do anything about swst and use the authority you've been given for the good of the board. interpret every dumbass dirty debate tactic he uses as 'unreasonable' and warn him for every fucking use of those tactics. he'd be gone in a week as the warnings hit him by the dozen! i could give you at least ten examples from the fsm thread.
that is the vaguest rule i've ever seen in my life, and what's worse, it seems to me that the purpose of that vagueness is probably to allow staff to interpret the law for themselves. there's no specific rule against this thing or that thing BECAUSE WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU WON'T BE BOUND BY RULES THAT WOULD INHIBIT YOUR ABILITY TO MODERATE AS YOU SEE FIT. YOU choose what constitutes reasonable, polite, informative debate. you admit that he's a problem and that he does not debate in a reasonable way. isn't that enough right there? oragahn just gave you a huge list of complaints and he backs it up with evidence. if you really do want to deal with swst, why didn't you give swst a warning for each of those? i'm not a mod and i don't mean to tell you your job, but that seems like an awful wasted opportunity to move forward toward that goal. warn him for each point on oragahn's list and that's a freaking ban right there and your concern that he could make a case for the idea that sfj is a bunch of hypocrites falls apart! how can he argue that he didn't deserve what he got if even the most cursory glance at his posting history shows otherwise? EVERYONE is aware of what he's doing. and i understand that jms is not particularly thrilled with the idea of permabanning and that makes your job harder, but if you keep throwing warnings at swst every time he ignores evidence or passes all thresholds of rudeness or reboots arguments or argues a definition of a word with a dictionary jms will be forced to keep bailing him out every other day or eventually let the ban go through. it's not as if your hands are completely tied.JMS wrote:In truth, this board has one rule:
All discourse is to be reasonable, polite, and informative.
as mods and as members who love this board you staff have a responsibility to protect the board from harm. even if that means stretching the boundaries a bit when necessary. if jms does not see that swst is worthy of banning, you have a responsibility to make him understand or even to go around him if you must. this is his forum, of course, but when you accepted the position as a mod, wasn't it because you love this place and don't want to see it hurt? is the loyalty, in the end, for jms or for sfj? if the answer is jms then we're fucked. if it's sfj, though, it's time to stop complaining about how hard it is to do anything about swst and use the authority you've been given for the good of the board. interpret every dumbass dirty debate tactic he uses as 'unreasonable' and warn him for every fucking use of those tactics. he'd be gone in a week as the warnings hit him by the dozen! i could give you at least ten examples from the fsm thread.