In truth, this board has one rule:
All discourse is to be reasonable, polite, and informative.
To this end, the following simple specific rules should be kept in mind and followed at all times:
This is all well and true as a rule.
1. No flaming. Insults, attacks, and rudeness all serve as obstacles to discourse; they will not be tolerated.
The impression I get is that your brother is a very sore loser and he drew you and Airlocke into this as means to create a way to get back at me.
You then childishly attacked me on a personal level rather than do the mature thing.
I did my job. Many times, and unfortunately Mojo got stupid and made his business mine, which in turn made me direct attention away from SWST. It's that simple.
Yes, I got harsh. But telling people they did something wrong and making the point are quite necessary here. The first one is clearly speculation, but given the facts at hand, how can you blame me for making it? How would you describe how Mojo acted? Intelligent? Reasoned? Well-mannered? No. Saying someone acted stupid or foolish is not the same thing as trolling or outright insulting them. But I do apologize for being harsh, as I am being trolled here by you, RainKing. However let's look at some the facts shall we?
RainKing, please stay on topic. This is not Star Trek versus Back to the Future, this a three-way match up between major Star Trek capital ships. If you want a Vs match between Trek and BttF, make topic in the appropriate forum.
This is my polite and reasonable request for RainKing. Nothing is done here to provoke or harass him, just simply ask him to move the off topic posting to the appropriate forum, if that is what he wants to do.
B.) RainKing's response:
I'm sorry! I thought this was America!
I did not respond to this thinking he was just making a joke and he got the point, but soon followed:
In a thread created by RainKing specifically to troll (see here
RainKing, please stay on topic. This is not Star Trek versus Back to the Future, this a three-way match up between major Star Trek capital ships. If I want a Vs match between Trek and BttF, make topic in the appropriate forum.
Please compare how RainKing alters my polite and straightforward request to suit his purpose. Altering someone's post is a form of blatant dishonesty and are grounds for a warning and even a banning as you are effective altering the context of what was said with an intention to troll and insult that person.
D.The fact that some of you guys decided to be total nerf heads over this only made things far worse than it ever had to be.
See my response on this below.
E.You and especially Mojo went and did some outageously stupid things, even when I and to a lesser extent Praeo were managing to get numerous warnings and eventually bans to stick on SWST.
No sign of outright insulting, just pointing out someone was being foolish, abeit in a harsher manner than may have been necessary. But calling someone's behavior foolish and stupid is not the same thing. There's even a discussion about this on SFJN.
Exactly, which is what I was able to finally use to make the bans stick with JMS. Being willfully ignorant is not a defense under the law.
This is correct. You and your brother are not exempt, even though I've tried to be nice and let some behavior slide.
I don't have the power to do that as a mod. Not that I'd remove SWST's postings anyway, since even if we quotes them here in this thread or kept them in PM posts, it's important to see them in their proper context so it can't be claimed we're just being soreheads about the whole thing.
Here I'm willing to keep the posts visible and in place to the public from people I may not like. This seems to be proof of fairness and less of a tyranny since to do so otherwise would be censorship and dishonesty.
Uh huh. Yeah, this is getting really bizarre now. Whether it's Mojo or his son, or his pet dog. Mojo ultimately is responsible for the behavior of all members of their household. No one in the SocksockJedi account I recently banned, made any attempt to separate or identify themselves as anyone other than Mojo.
This is true. Please provide proof otherwise. If you are all posting from the same location and without proof to the contrary, how can you claim to be someone else? By the way, that was from a post made by me in regards to banning not only Mojo, but all his known sockpuppets to prevent further mischief by subverting a ban. Again, no proof of seperate identity, thus they must be treated as the same until provided otherwise. If anything, this shows I am tough, but fair when dealing with a possible offender. Can you say in all honest that you would have done otherwise as a reasonable precaution?
And that is why you fail.
An out of context quip.
So instead of doing the equivalent of setting up video cameras and getting eye witnesses to coroborate your accustation, you throw a tantrum and go out to commit vandalism and assault, which in turn gets you arrested locked up, and distracts the police (mods) from further pursuing the investigation against the person you accused.
An appropriate analogy to the situation. Why are you even bringing this up?
So, would you like to put your foot in your proverbial mouth again?
Breetai, but I really must agree that you refrain from such behavior since it only makes you look like a hypocrite,
Who acts against the mods? In this thread alone you have Mr.DiCenso making accusations that are completely unfounded while lacking any evidence toward them whatsoever.
But to answer your question here, we had a two mod system to provide some form of balance and above that was the admin. But the admin quit and before that our first mod. For a while I was the only mod and in circumstances where I might be compromised by bias, or might be seen as biased, I did the best I could by myself. Now we have two mods and technically no admin, but we have the other mod to go to.
Unfounded? There as been a ton of evidence provided to back up the admittedly speculative accusations leveled.
1.) You came here and were accepted with good faith. No one knew Mojo was involved with anything.
2.) I simply asked that you refrain from getting off-topic in a particular thread.
3.) You responded with a snarky reply about this being "America".
4.) You created a very off-topic and deliberately trolling thread directed at me and even in the first post had an altered quote from me.
5.) Attempts to reason with you ended in failure
. You then
II. What Mr.DiCenso thinks was said, "Hey, we should go to this board together with Airlocke and just be complete jack-asses. THEN we should rebel against anyone who goes against us. MUAHAHAHAAHA!" Who acts this way? Seriously...
Wouldn't this be reasonable given how you first behaved when you came here? See my first evidence provided and the accompanying link. You haven't really addressed this other than to claim it was all just having some fun. Apparently that fun was at others' expense and given how close yours and your brother's behavior seemed, isn't that a reasonable assumption?
But your brother it looks like couldn't let it go.
I. Isn't this line alone clear in Mr.DiCenso's vendetta? If not continue to more examples here:
RainKing claims a vendetta without prior proof or other evidence. This in and of itself would proof of his own dishonest and further proof he is here specifically to troll me as part of a possible vendetta to avenge his brother whom he feels is wronged by Trinoya and I.
The impression I get is that your brother is a very sore loser and he drew you and Airlocke into this as means to create a way to get back at me.
Yes and? Speculation on my part, but one that must be entertained given the facts at hand. See my link provided above. There is this link
to Trinoya's investigation.
Mojo could have prevented all of this a year ago by staying out of the way and doing as Mr. Oragahn and others on this board did by helping document SWST's behavior.
You call me a bully, your brother goes off attacking anyone they perceive as an authority figure who does not do what they like, which is let them get away with whatever they want to do.
This is true. As I have provided proof of, you go off and attack people.
It's there for all to see and on top of that, neither you or your brother have found all that much sympathy on the board as a whole because of that.
Also true. No one has really come to your defense except yourselves for each other. See my links provided, most particular to Trinoya's ruling. Also I would remind you of this in the very thread you made to go after me:
Wow, could you be less funny?
Wait, don't answer, I already know the answer...
That from Praeomithin. One of at least two such telling you how unamusing your behavior was.
No such thing. Give it a rest, Mojo. I would also point out that demanding a concession from someone is a violation of the rules JMS set forth, and that is precisely what you are doing here.
I. Didn't Mr.DiCenso just demand a concession from me here:
The best thing is let this go and go have a cold one IRL. It's not worth it.
Hasn't RainKing been dishonest? I have shown evidence in spades of that? Asking someone to cool it for a while or give things a rest is not demanding a concession since you would have to be agreeing with me to do so. By the way, hitting all the report buttons and not filing any description of the offense as much as you have with nearly every single post that Trinoya and I have in this thread is major abuse of the system, and proof of what I said about you two throwing tantrums and trolling the board.
I believe Trinoya already gave you a warning for this, yes?
For that matter it almost seems like a threat. Why isn't it worth it to seek out judgement on anyone? If they have nothing to fear of truth than why should it seem threatening?
And the insanity continues on, Mojo.
Normally I'd have had Praeo and JMS handle this, as I admittedly am too close to what's going on.
I. I seriously wish Mr.DiCenso had kept this mentality. Here he publicly admits that he is too close to the situation with Mojo to rationally and objectively handle the situation himself. Yet he continues to do so uninhibited.
and between everything that's been going on, my patience is at it's end.
I. Here we have Mike again saying that not only is he not able to handle it objectively but that he doesn't have the patience to handle the situation rationally either. So why did he?
Because unlike some folks, I admit I'm human and in my capacity as a moderator, it is only proper that when the attacks are leveled at me, that I stand aside and let the other moderator look over the situation as was the case when Trinoya gave his ruling on my behalf against Mojo's prior accusations (of a remarkably similar manner as yours). If anything, you've shown I'm fair and honest since I stood by not once, but several times and let others make a decision and investigate.
following are very good pieces of advice:
1. Personal information is irrelevant - yours or someone else's.
A. I never told anyone I was Mojo's brother. Mojo said that and I don't blame him for that. I do however blame Mr.DiCenso for not asking me if I was okay with that before he continued to repeat it. That is an invasion of my privacy that he has no rights to. As is mentioned here, it is irrelevant. I think it's interesting that Mr.DiCenso forces Mojo to repeat personal things about himself publicly just so he can avoid being banned. Has he done this to anyone else? [/quote]
When there is suspicion of someone attempting to subvert the system, such as using a sockpuppet, it is often necessary to look up something like an IP address. These are the facts of internet life. Praeothmin can tell you about it is since he himself had to do so on more than one occasion when dealing with KSW sockpuppets. It's unfortunate it had to come down to it, but your brother has a past history here and your behavior almost exactly met his M.O..
2. Take a deep breath, think, and read carefully before replying.
A. Mr.DiCenso takes all of this very personally. Yes, he hides it fairly well but look at the last few pages of this thread alone and notice how nervous and upset he gets over the small issue of the truth about him being revealed. Accusations, insults, sarcasm, etc. Yes a normal member of the board might be doing things but he is a mod. This is not conduct befitting of an officer.
This could be said of you as well as a member of this board. Look again at the wealth of evidence I provided in this post.
As for addressing your accusations, I've long done that before. I've explained all I need and my wasting time continually repeating verbatim what's already been said, and repeating Trinoya's findings is also a waste. It's there for all to see and on top of that, neither you or your brother have found all that much sympathy on the board as a whole because of that.
I. There is another lesson to be learned from Mr.DiCenso's mistakes. Again this is a rule that was posted clearly and he admits to repeating himself. The problem here is that he's not answering the questions, he's just saying that he did and that he has to repeat himself in a way to dodge having to answer anything. A lot of leaders will do this when they realized they've painted themselves into a corner.
As I've shown proof of, I've answered your accusations and more, and I've shown (once again) evidence overwhelming of your behavior, which while you coat it in sugar, it is clear you are likely here to troll.
Just to drive my point home I decided it necessary to quote Mr.DiCenso himself to point out his hypocrisy.
What Khas said. I went pretty easy on KSW when he came back under his latest sockpuppet account because he seemed to be doing all right, and as you said, he admitted he had nothing but baseless speculation. It's when KSW started becoming abusive again as well as ignore other people's evidence, that couldn't be allowed to stand.
I agree with that instance. Now I have provided evidence and this tyranny should not be allowed to stand.
No tyranny as I have shown in abundance. In fact, many of the examples you post here show almost the opposite. A reluctance to bring a heavy hand down on people and to be as fair as possible in all circumstances, which is why, ironically enough, your brother attacked me and continued a pointless vendetta against me which has now resulted in the current state of affairs.
Except that Mr. Oragahn is not trolling. He actually built a detailed case against SWST, which is exactly what people needed to do in the first place. You could learn something from that kind of patience and perseverance, Mojo.
I was patient and I persevered. I have built my detailed case as requested of someone else by Mr.DiCenso here.
The board rules here are clear and concise about throwing insults at people, especially at someone who isn't viewing such attention at them as amusing.
[quote="RainKing777]I do not see Mr.DiCenso's accusations or insults as amusing. The board rules are clear and concise. Lets see what is done about them.
These are all from THIS THREAD ALONE. I don't have time to go through them all. How has this gone on for so long??? It seems maniacal to me that anyone would allow it. These are multiple violations of rules posted very clearly on the board and no one has been able to call Mr.DiCenso on them or make their claims stick because of his authority. This is for lack of a less dramatic word tyrannical.[/quote]
I have provided clear and concise evidence that RainKing is here solely for the purpose of trolling me, provoking me to anger, perhaps with the goal of getting back at me for serving disciplines on his brother. I have not found his little thread amusing nor was his overreaction to my polite request (evidence provided above) RainKing may even be doing all this at the behest of Mojo. I don't know. But I do know that RainKing has come here and committed several acts that are against the board rules and directed against the mod staff. A large number of frivolous reports have been filed against Trinoya, which unfortunately members cannot see, but can be confirmed, if needed by JMS.