Re: The EU Admits to Being Parallel in Print
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:32 am
Did you feel something when eating 'em? Like, the rumoured Force? What did it feel like?
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I guess this is the main point of contention between us. To my mind "SW canon" is I put it and "canon of Star Wars" are synonimous. Perhaps I'm missing some nuance of English language since I'm not a native speaker. In any case I'm not sure what you mean there is only canon? There is chatolic church canon, SW canon etc? The word has different meanings depending on where it is used.Mr. Oragahn wrote:With the problem here that Hidalgo doesn't speak of any "SW canon", as you put it. He says:
I don't see the need to delve into what exactly is the less definitive canon. To me the meaning in this passage is clear: canon is films and SW cartoons. This is what he means by most definitive canon in the context.Mr. Oragahn wrote:In fact, this very formulation proves that there is another canon, albeit less definitive (authoritative): it is "the less definitive canon" that is implied here. Hidalgo simply identifies the "most definitive" one and explains what it contains. This is the correct interpretation.
Not only because there cannot be true elements without being part of a canon (as I said above), but also because there's no point specifying that there's a most definitive canon if it actually is the only one and that no other canon, holding reliable data, would ever exist alongside.
This is why this is nothing new to me.
I see your point of view. In religion, there is one canon and that is all. There is no need to use adjectives and define a canon as "the most definitive" one. It is authoritative by nature, period.Kane Starkiller wrote:I guess this is the main point of contention between us. To my mind "SW canon" is I put it and "canon of Star Wars" are synonimous. Perhaps I'm missing some nuance of English language since I'm not a native speaker. In any case I'm not sure what you mean there is only canon? There is chatolic church canon, SW canon etc? The word has different meanings depending on where it is used.Mr. Oragahn wrote:With the problem here that Hidalgo doesn't speak of any "SW canon", as you put it. He says:
If what matters to you is to know that events happened, then I suppose you'll go with that canon + other region of material where events also happened.I don't see the need to delve into what exactly is the less definitive canon. To me the meaning in this passage is clear: canon is films and SW cartoons. This is what he means by most definitive canon in the context.Mr. Oragahn wrote:In fact, this very formulation proves that there is another canon, albeit less definitive (authoritative): it is "the less definitive canon" that is implied here. Hidalgo simply identifies the "most definitive" one and explains what it contains. This is the correct interpretation.
Not only because there cannot be true elements without being part of a canon (as I said above), but also because there's no point specifying that there's a most definitive canon if it actually is the only one and that no other canon, holding reliable data, would ever exist alongside.
This is why this is nothing new to me.
To me what matters is that events happened not what exact canon they are. So I guess we'll have to remain in disagreement on this issue.
O: mojo, what did the fruit snacks taste like?Mr. Oragahn wrote:Did you feel something when eating 'em? Like, the rumoured Force? What did it feel like?
i thought it was 'canon' for g level stuff, and 'continuity' for eu and whatever.Mr. Oragahn wrote:Because the word canon is used so loosely, it actually obtains a flexible meaning from where "the most definitive canon of Star Wars" declaration can suddenly imply that there's a "less definitive canon of Star Wars."
This shouldn't even happen to begin with with a proper use of the concept of canon, which is quite binary (regardless of any hierarchy inside said canon).
There wouldn't be any notion of g level stuff if anything of any other level wasn't part of the canon. That's the issue with the Holocron policy. It already has several canons.mojo wrote:i thought it was 'canon' for g level stuff, and 'continuity' for eu and whatever.Mr. Oragahn wrote:Because the word canon is used so loosely, it actually obtains a flexible meaning from where "the most definitive canon of Star Wars" declaration can suddenly imply that there's a "less definitive canon of Star Wars."
This shouldn't even happen to begin with with a proper use of the concept of canon, which is quite binary (regardless of any hierarchy inside said canon).
but before the tv show, wasn't it just g level for films, and then the film novelizations and radio dramas? and then the eu was 'continuity'. oragahn, you're the one that explained this to me for god's sake.Mr. Oragahn wrote:There wouldn't be any notion of g level stuff if anything of any other level wasn't part of the canon. That's the issue with the Holocron policy. It already has several canons.mojo wrote:i thought it was 'canon' for g level stuff, and 'continuity' for eu and whatever.Mr. Oragahn wrote:Because the word canon is used so loosely, it actually obtains a flexible meaning from where "the most definitive canon of Star Wars" declaration can suddenly imply that there's a "less definitive canon of Star Wars."
This shouldn't even happen to begin with with a proper use of the concept of canon, which is quite binary (regardless of any hierarchy inside said canon).
You mean well before the tv show. Back to Sansweet's statements iirc.mojo wrote: but before the tv show, wasn't it just g level for films, and then the film novelizations and radio dramas? and then the eu was 'continuity'. oragahn, you're the one that explained this to me for god's sake.
Are you sure of that? I thought that novelizations weren't getting that old special treatment anymore.Khas wrote:The novelizations of the films are G-Canon.
What a mess. Since, iirc, the ANH novelization is the only one to be officially presented as a novel by GL (despite Alan Dean Foster writing it), it's the only novelization to be able to entirely count as G canon.Khas wrote:I'm just going by what the most recent update of Wookieepedia says. It said that the novels are G-Canon, but anything that the author just makes up is C-Canon. I don't get it either.