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Game mechanics?Enterprise E wrote:There may be a way we can put this all to rest. How powerful are Vader and Palpatine in this game? Now I haven't played the game, so I have no idea how powerful Vader and Palpatine are in the game so I'd need someone who has played to tell me how strong they are. If they're on the level of Galen Marek, rather than curbstomped with contemptuous ease by him, given their respective power levels, then i think that we can disregard the feat of pulling down the Star Destroyer as something made by the game, or game mechanics, or something else since we have never seen anything anywhere close to that from either of the characters in the movies, the highest level of canon there is. Heck, even Palpatine's power in Dark Empire could theoretically be justified since he had six years to train exclusively on using the force, rather than worry about running the Empire. It's a huge leap, but still, after six years of intense training, I could see Palpatine getting stronger. If Vader had Galen Marek's level of power, then there would have not even been a fight with Luke either film, regardless of his state of mind. Vader would have won, pure and simple, without even having to really hurt Luke in the process. Yet Luke was clearly holding his own to beating Vader in Return of the Jedi, even when he was doing his best not to hurt Vader. And the difference between Luke and Vader in The Empire Strikes Back was not so great as to be insurmountable. After all, Luke got a couple good hits in on Vader in that fight.
That was the ad. They also had a superb ad for the ISD crashing, but everything changed in game, didn't it?Admiral Breetai wrote:Vader got smashed through a starships wall bit much more then his canon self
Or navigate your way around it. As you already did.They'll still say that the overall story is canon, and it's hard to trim it down to such a level that you can erase the idea that one dude used the Force to force an ISD to land so he could board it.
Clearly the force was on his side, and the ISD skipped a much needed repulsor lift tuneup. ^_^Mr. Oragahn wrote:Game mechanics?Enterprise E wrote:There may be a way we can put this all to rest. How powerful are Vader and Palpatine in this game? Now I haven't played the game, so I have no idea how powerful Vader and Palpatine are in the game so I'd need someone who has played to tell me how strong they are. If they're on the level of Galen Marek, rather than curbstomped with contemptuous ease by him, given their respective power levels, then i think that we can disregard the feat of pulling down the Star Destroyer as something made by the game, or game mechanics, or something else since we have never seen anything anywhere close to that from either of the characters in the movies, the highest level of canon there is. Heck, even Palpatine's power in Dark Empire could theoretically be justified since he had six years to train exclusively on using the force, rather than worry about running the Empire. It's a huge leap, but still, after six years of intense training, I could see Palpatine getting stronger. If Vader had Galen Marek's level of power, then there would have not even been a fight with Luke either film, regardless of his state of mind. Vader would have won, pure and simple, without even having to really hurt Luke in the process. Yet Luke was clearly holding his own to beating Vader in Return of the Jedi, even when he was doing his best not to hurt Vader. And the difference between Luke and Vader in The Empire Strikes Back was not so great as to be insurmountable. After all, Luke got a couple good hits in on Vader in that fight.
They'll still say that the overall story is canon, and it's hard to trim it down to such a level that you can erase the idea that one dude used the Force to force an ISD to land so he could board it.
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That was the ad. They also had a superb ad for the ISD crashing, but everything changed in game, didn't it?Admiral Breetai wrote:Vader got smashed through a starships wall bit much more then his canon self
Palpy wanted Luke because otherwise Luke would be against him.Picard wrote:Lucas has stated that Anakin Skywalker had most Force potential; and Luke is probably in his league. But Anakin never had chance to trully develop it, and that's why Palpy wanted Luke. But still, there should be limit to wank - which means that Oragahn's "lame explanation" might actually be best avaliable explanation.
Doesn't work that way, otherwise Force sensitive people couldn't appear within bloodlines that never counted FS people. Whatever causes those "mutations" is unknown.TheTerminator wrote:Palpy wanted Luke because otherwise Luke would be against him.Picard wrote:Lucas has stated that Anakin Skywalker had most Force potential; and Luke is probably in his league. But Anakin never had chance to trully develop it, and that's why Palpy wanted Luke. But still, there should be limit to wank - which means that Oragahn's "lame explanation" might actually be best avaliable explanation.
Obviously Vader's midichlorian levels were lower once he lost most of his body; but Luke's would only be about half Anakin's original levels, since Anakin was created by Darth Plageis from the Force itself by directly influencing mdichlorians; Luke was just his son, and Padme didn't have even standard Jedi-levels.
What is source of that whole created-from-Force stuff? Background info or EU?TheTerminator wrote:Palpy wanted Luke because otherwise Luke would be against him.Picard wrote:Lucas has stated that Anakin Skywalker had most Force potential; and Luke is probably in his league. But Anakin never had chance to trully develop it, and that's why Palpy wanted Luke. But still, there should be limit to wank - which means that Oragahn's "lame explanation" might actually be best avaliable explanation.
Obviously Vader's midichlorian levels were lower once he lost most of his body; but Luke's would only be about half Anakin's original levels, since Anakin was created by Darth Plageis from the Force itself by directly influencing mdichlorians; Luke was just his son, and Padme didn't have even standard Jedi-levels.
why does everyone keep asking this? it's the weird bubble opera scene in rots. palpatine claims that there was once a sith so powerful that he could create life using the force, and people latch onto that as an explanation for anakin's stupid virgin birth.Picard wrote:What is source of that whole created-from-Force stuff? Background info or EU?TheTerminator wrote:Palpy wanted Luke because otherwise Luke would be against him.Picard wrote:Lucas has stated that Anakin Skywalker had most Force potential; and Luke is probably in his league. But Anakin never had chance to trully develop it, and that's why Palpy wanted Luke. But still, there should be limit to wank - which means that Oragahn's "lame explanation" might actually be best avaliable explanation.
Obviously Vader's midichlorian levels were lower once he lost most of his body; but Luke's would only be about half Anakin's original levels, since Anakin was created by Darth Plageis from the Force itself by directly influencing mdichlorians; Luke was just his son, and Padme didn't have even standard Jedi-levels.
that's what I was thinking mind you when he does brainstorm with people (most notably spielberg) you get well you get the temple of Doom so maybe it's better to let him just wing it? if he actually stopped to think it could of been much worseMike DiCenso wrote:Honestly, given what a mess the PT is, does anyone really think that Lucas thought this stuff out, or ran it by someone other than a sychopantic "Yes" drone to see if any of it made sense?
-Mike
what Mojo saidmojo wrote:why does everyone keep asking this? it's the weird bubble opera scene in rots. palpatine claims that there was once a sith so powerful that he could create life using the force, and people latch onto that as an explanation for anakin's stupid virgin birth.
we do specifically Lucas created the guy as palpy's master what Sidious was saying was a half truth designed to manipulate Anakins desperation it's more or less "true" in the sense that the guy existed though Anakin was very clearly a Vrigin birth by the force itself..I have no clue why fanboys try to claim Sidous was being forthcoming there but plagious and his Midichlorian master is canon and so much so that Lucas wants to keep a lid on the guys mystery to the extent that IIRC he absolutely wont allow EU writers to touch the guy at all and nixed numerous books on himPicard wrote:Aaah, but we don't know wether "good" old Palpy was saying truth on that one. He might as well have lied. Plus, what is source on that "virgin birth" of Anakin? I don't remember anything being said about his father (thought my memory is admittedly crappy about that one).
Yeah, because only real newbs need a singing-telegram.mojo wrote:why does everyone keep asking this? it's the weird bubble opera scene in rots. palpatine claims that there was once a sith so powerful that he could create life using the force, and people latch onto that as an explanation for anakin's stupid virgin birth.Picard wrote:What is source of that whole created-from-Force stuff? Background info or EU?
phantom menace. qui-gon asks ani's mom about his dad and she tells him he was a virgin birth. it was the dumbest thing ever and an extremely odd choice for lucas to make considering he wasn't very christ-like.Picard wrote:Aaah, but we don't know wether "good" old Palpy was saying truth on that one. He might as well have lied. Plus, what is source on that "virgin birth" of Anakin? I don't remember anything being said about his father (thought my memory is admittedly crappy about that one).
i may have missed something. i know that the assumption i made personally was the same as this - that plaguis was palpatine's sith master - but do we ever actually get confirmation?HeroHeeto wrote:Yeah, because only real newbs need a singing-telegram.mojo wrote:why does everyone keep asking this? it's the weird bubble opera scene in rots. palpatine claims that there was once a sith so powerful that he could create life using the force, and people latch onto that as an explanation for anakin's stupid virgin birth.Picard wrote:What is source of that whole created-from-Force stuff? Background info or EU?
Why else do you think that Palps was telling him that?
That Sith was Darth Plagueis, and he was Palpy's Sith-Master until Palpy killed him in his sleep.
well that's pretty lame considering he's not doing any more movies. i've been waiting this whole time for a book featuring the guy to come out. especially considering how bad the second and third bane books were.Admiral Breetai wrote:we do specifically Lucas created the guy as palpy's master what Sidious was saying was a half truth designed to manipulate Anakins desperation it's more or less "true" in the sense that the guy existed though Anakin was very clearly a Vrigin birth by the force itself..I have no clue why fanboys try to claim Sidous was being forthcoming there but plagious and his Midichlorian master is canon and so much so that Lucas wants to keep a lid on the guys mystery to the extent that IIRC he absolutely wont allow EU writers to touch the guy at all and nixed numerous books on him