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Adarx Post 24 wrote:
Which is why the EA, who is more than capable of nuclear missile spam, was able to quickly and easily nuke all of the Minbari fleet and given they knew exactly where and when the Minbari were going to be there and it would be trivially easy to fill the area with nuclear mines or makeshift missile boats. What do you mean that isn't how that went? No, no, no, we saw the EA ships get within spitting distance of the Minbari countless times, if all it took was detonating a 2 MT nuke in their general vicinity, surely the E-M war was a close fought battle that cost the Minbari dearly. Oh. Huh. Well, then I guess the Blackstar must have been a fluke.
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Unless Sheridan went out in a space suit, flew over to the Minbari ship carrying the nuke with him, knocked on the docking port while saying "candygram for Mr. Bonehead" the visuals aren't the problem. Unless you could basically land the bomb on the hull, it does nothing to solve the problem of if area effect weapons of a yield that low were consistently effective against the Minbari, it is insane to think the EA wouldn't have had other victories just by spamming nuclear weapons into their general area, or have at least tried a nuclear minefield/salvo at the battle of the line. The only rational inference to be drawn is the Black Star is not a representative event otherwise none of that war makes sense.
 


Did this guy ever watch Babylon 5?

1) Sheridan took out a total of 4 Minbari warships. It wasn't a fluke.

2) "In The Beginning" is a story told by Londo as a means to inspire hope in some children. It is basically a peace of in-unverse realistic fiction, and therefore should not be taken as being 100% accurate.


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For all we know from Disney Canon, the SW galaxy could have been going through an economic depression during the OT era. But we'd never know it because all we have of that era is three movies featuring...

1) A princess from some planet that (she claims) us completely unarmed.
2) A farm boy from the back end of nowhere.
3) A smuggler and his furry friend.
4) A pair of Jedi who have been living as hermits for the past 20 years or so.
5) The leaders of the Empire.
6) Lando.

These are all people who are the LEAST likely to be affected by downturns in the economy. Except Lando maybe. We just never see how the common people are living in the OT since the focus is largely on the Empire and Rebels. Heck, we don't even get to see a major world in the OT except for one short scene in the remastered RotJ.

Well we saw Alderaan. Briefly. Before it got blown up.

The closest thing we see to economics in the OT is Uncle Owen buying droids, Han Solo needing cash to pay off Jabba the Hutt, and Vader hiring bounty hunters.
 

1) Can't we see from the differences shown in episode 1 and episode 4 that Tatooine is seemingly in a depression / recession? Everything basically goes from shiny and new to worn and barely serviceable.

2) If a place like Tatooine is having hard times then wouldn't it stand to reason that everyone else as well?

3) While a senator, Padme was unable to pay her personnel aids a living wage during the Clone Wars, and it is implied that there is a large percentage of the capital's population is on public assistance.


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No really, writing Star Wars Disney is plain cruel.


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Lucky wrote:
1) Can't we see from the differences shown in episode 1 and episode 4 that Tatooine is seemingly in a depression / recession? Everything basically goes from shiny and new to worn and barely serviceable.

2) If a place like Tatooine is having hard times then wouldn't it stand to reason that everyone else as well?


Not really. Can't remember anything particularly shinier from the prequels about Tatooine than what we saw later on. Plus the prequels happen in Mos Espa, not Mos Eisley.

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3) While a senator, Padme was unable to pay her personnel aids a living wage during the Clone Wars, and it is implied that there is a large percentage of the capital's population is on public assistance.


Are you talking about Naboo or Tatooine? I didn't think Tatooine had any form of government that would even support public assistance. As for Naboo, I'm really surprised that they'd actually find themselves in such a state. The only way this could happen was if the Republic heavily taxed worlds, which completely busted the economy and the whole place was run by political fuckwits. You know, like in the USA and the EU.


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Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Not really. Can't remember anything particularly shinier from the prequels about Tatooine than what we saw later on. Plus the prequels happen in Mos Espa, not Mos Eisley.
1) I somehow missed the fact they didn't stop in Mos Eisley in episode 1.

2) Everything seems nicer in the PT then the OT.

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Are you talking about Naboo or Tatooine? I didn't think Tatooine had any form of government that would even support public assistance. As for Naboo, I'm really surprised that they'd actually find themselves in such a state. The only way this could happen was if the Republic heavily taxed worlds, which completely busted the economy and the whole place was run by political fuckwits. You know, like in the USA and the EU.
I'd rather not bring the real world into this.


There is an episode in The Clone Wars where we find out that lots of people are on public assistance on Coruscant during the clone wars, and one of those people is Senator Amidala's hand maiden/aid which seems odd given what we know about Amidala.

Then in Episode 1 we have Anikin's owner not excepting Republic credits as payment. It comes across as him just being a money grubbing jerk ass slaver, but if the Republic's currency is very unstable and losing value fast it makes sense.


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Sure http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Dawn
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"This is the first novel integrating input from the Lucasfilm Story Group, which manages story concepts across all media, and so in addition to working with Random House's team I both got inspiration and feedback from the series' executive producers, Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman, as well as Pablo Hidalgo, Jennifer Heddle, and Leland Chee."
Basically every book from now on is of high canon.

Well this mistake is somewhat understandable.
http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page wrote:
While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.
But even if everything was equal one quote does not over rule the actual events or other peaces of more credible evidence.


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Lucky wrote:
2) Everything seems nicer in the PT then the OT.


Everything but Tatooine. It seems shinier because the movies focus on the shiny stuff. Republic ships are nice and pretty, still smelling plastic and oil as if they had been unboxed in the morning, and that is also found in the Empire.
Things looked more crappy in the OT only on the Rebels' side, and not for all of them.
Alderaanian and MonCal assets were just as polished and fresh as what we saw in the PT.

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Then in Episode 1 we have Anikin's owner not excepting Republic credits as payment. It comes across as him just being a money grubbing jerk ass slaver, but if the Republic's currency is very unstable and losing value fast it makes sense.


Hate to bring real world back into this, but it kinda mirrors the fact that some countries are favouring the euro instead of the sacrosaint dollar, due to the all too relative stability of the euro. The US is way too endebted, more than any other country.
Now, when you see how the Republic built an army out of nowhere, it could really be the exact same thing happening in SW.


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Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Everything but Tatooine. It seems shinier because the movies focus on the shiny stuff. Republic ships are nice and pretty, still smelling plastic and oil as if they had been unboxed in the morning, and that is also found in the Empire.
Things looked more crappy in the OT only on the Rebels' side, and not for all of them.
Alderaanian and MonCal assets were just as polished and fresh as what we saw in the PT.
Even Tatooine seemed more family friendly to me during Episodes 1 and 2. Jabba was at least pretending to be respectable.

Everything in the OT looks used and lived in to me in the OT, and that doesn't always make sense given a lot of the Rebel ships are suppose to be brand new.


Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Hate to bring real world back into this, but it kinda mirrors the fact that some countries are favouring the euro instead of the sacrosaint dollar, due to the all too relative stability of the euro. The US is way too endebted, more than any other country.
Now, when you see how the Republic built an army out of nowhere, it could really be the exact same thing happening in SW.
Given there is no other game then the Republic in the PT, I'd compare the problems the Republic is having to the EU and Greece.

Things like the blockade of Pantora seem to point to this sort of thing.


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