New Star Wars Canon Policy

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New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by theta_pinch » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:56 pm

http://www.theforce.net/v3-story/frontM ... 157581.asp

Sounds like good news for the trek side of the debate. No more ICS or EU calculations/technology; the only official canon is the movies and TCW.

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by 2046 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:35 pm

Figure I'll just stick this in here and give this thread meaning. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGsVGD8Bdc

Brian Young has posted a Youtube video in which he celebrates the EU's passing but intends to keep on using EU material he and his inflationist associates helped work on whenever he feels a need to override the canon or fill in whatever he considers gaps, while simultaneously saying the EU doesn't count. His face was straight in the video, so near as I can tell.

In other other words, he plans no changes to his behavior to date.

I will grant that he needs to make fewer changes than a SDN or SWTC might (i.e. any site that pulls info out of an actual EU novel), but based on my analysis of his works to date he's hardly in the clear. Most of his work is heavily reliant on the non-canon, and that's where he gets much of the comparison information for Vs. material.

Coming up in my next post surveying reactions elsewhere . . . a Spacebattles poster has a familiar revelation . . .

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Other websites' reliance on the EU and how they're [F word]e

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:22 pm

2046 wrote: I will grant that he needs to make fewer changes than a SDN or SWTC might (i.e. any site that pulls info out of an actual EU novel)
Oh... my. The amount of nuking! Wong will never bother. He'd be better closing the website and only keep the forum.
As for Saxton, all his meaningless starship nomenclature, most of it down the drain. He's got a ton of work to keep the pure canonical stuff in, although there's lots of good stuff to salvage.

And again, who's going to take care of the daunting task of streamlining Wookieepedia? :) :) :)

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:24 pm

Shouldn't we rename this thread into something like EUphiles Butthurt Inc.?

I suggest we find a name. ;)

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu May 01, 2014 2:36 am

Speaking of such things, I've noticed that things have gone all quiet on the Imperialwiki front.

Poor Ted, I wonder how he's going to deal with this.
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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu May 01, 2014 2:55 am

2046 wrote:I will grant that he needs to make fewer changes than a SDN or SWTC might (i.e. any site that pulls info out of an actual EU novel), but based on my analysis of his works to date he's hardly in the clear. Most of his work is heavily reliant on the non-canon, and that's where he gets much of the comparison information for Vs. material.
Look, we could've guessed that Brian wouldn't change his tune. In fact, it was hilarious and sad to hear Brian crowing that his (SciFights) site is now the most accurate site concerning Star Wars technology. Well, gee, I guess he's missed your website, JMS' pages, and this forum where people have been very accurately describing Star Wars tech without much benefit of the EU for 8 years now. But I guess that Brian won't ever do that given his admitted self-esteem issues, and how much he has personally invested in ICS.

On top of that we here have been describing the EU way more accurately than Saxton, Wong, Poe, and so on ever were. Just look at the Base Delta Zero thread where we in great detail debunk the Warsie descriptions of examples from the EU such as the Dankayo bombardment were not what they were saying it was.

So in the end I guess we'll be having to continue to correct Brian by reminding him about such little things like those flak bursts in TESB and AOTC are not asteroid vaporization.
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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mith » Thu May 01, 2014 7:53 am

I too admit to enjoying some of the butthurt.

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by 2046 » Thu May 01, 2014 12:07 pm

Funny you should mention him . . . his post about the "Disneycaust" was the one I was going for.
Man it's weird. It's the little things, the things you thought you knew. So much of the SW worldview for a diehard fan is EU-based. So much of what you know about SW or think you know comes from the EU. To the point where you don't even remember that certain facts or assumptions came from the EU. They seem so fundamental, they've always been there, but if you go back far enough they came from a supplemental source, not the movies themselves.

Like an ISD being 1,600m long. Now, after last Friday, an ISD is probably still 1,600m long, but that's no longer something we can stand on faith on. If someone could pull up a screenshot that seemed contradictory to that... it might be necessary to take heed to it now, whereas before it would just have been a scaling error, overruled by the well known 1,600m figure.

Man, Darth Vader had a whole stack of acolytes and apprentices down the years. Starkiller being the last one. His wookieepedia page lists thirteen and that may not be exhaustive. But... after the Disneycaust, the only student the man in that suit is ever known with certainty to have mentored is Ahsoka.

Boba Fett... is that guy even dead or alive? I know GL almost put a scene of him climbing out of the sarlacc into the RoTJ SE. I don't think he's dead (we technically never saw him "die") but we can't say for certain any more that he survived.

Other stuff becomes a weird gray area, dunno what to make of it. Take the Tector-class Star Destroyer. Based off a scene in RoTJ where the Falcon flies across what appears to be the ventral hull of a Star Destroyer that is orientated 180 degrees inverted relative to the rest of the fleet, but without the ventral hanger bay of normal ISD's. This was then speculated to be a different a rarer class of Star Destroyer (not an Imperial-class) and eventually it made its way into the RoTS ICS named as the Tector-class. Leland Chee then confirmed on the official SW message board that the ship in RoTJ was a Tector. So the whole mystery was neatly sowed up in canon. But now what? What the f###? Is that ship in RoTJ still a Tector-class Star Destoryer, or does it go back to being a mystery ship?
I actually applaud him because he has realized what I realized a decade ago . . . once down the dark path you go, forever will it cloud your vision. And more than that, he is freely admitting to it in that first paragraph.

Anything you read affects your view . . . this is especially true in regards to fictional worlds and also for folks who have trouble separating things out logically. Saying it's canon unless contradicted (and then refusing to accept obvious contradiction) was not a good plan, because then the Star Wars in your head was mostly a construct of the EU, not of the canon. It was always best to consider them Legends, even before the notion of Dual Canons became clear . . . it's just that now, he realizes it, too.

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu May 01, 2014 9:51 pm

Disneycaust? This is one of the most lardish, ill inspired and convoluted portmanteau words I've read in recent years. It's so forced.
Besides, it looks like jewish owned enterprises are capable of burning (trite) books too, after all. :D

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu May 01, 2014 9:57 pm

Oh, the burden has fallen. Can't they feel again the fresh, unique and long forgotten sensations of mystery and liberty? The EU is out of the way, rejoice!

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Trinoya » Fri May 02, 2014 9:46 am

I'll admit, I'm pretty happy to see the EU go. Some of it was so out there and depressing, other bits just didn't fit, and still others blew calculations from sub ton levels all the way out to the wankatons.

May it rest in peace.

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Post by 2046 » Fri May 02, 2014 11:09 am

Meanwhile, at SDN, a thread about how the so-called changes to canon affect the debate, one fellow realized that planetary shields and a brute force superlaser were poor ideas now.

After holding his ground while they dogpiled him, trying desperately to justify their beliefs to themselves, they banned him temporarily with the threat of permanence if he brought it up again when he could return weeks later.

Some things don't change much.

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri May 02, 2014 2:01 pm

Not surprising, but could you please provide a link?
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Post by 2046 » Fri May 02, 2014 3:00 pm

I forget he never porno.com'ed links from here like he did from ST-v-SW.Net.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=160347

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Re: New Star Wars Canon Policy

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri May 02, 2014 7:23 pm

Of course he (Wong) wouldn't do that to SFJN, especially since it was more personal between you two, though it would've done him better had he let you just link freely to his site.

Anyway, reading some of those counterarguments to Watchman is like reading the old ASVS newsgroup back in the 1990s and early 2000s. Seriously, no one is actually countering Watchman's arguments, just spouting more party line nonsense.

The Death Star's main weapon causing Alderaan to go boom is clearly not DET, what with most of the beam disappearing into the planet before it starts to really explode, and then the odd secondary explosion followed by the planar rings. That says "chain reaction" to me.

I also see those guys are still throwing out the TESB asteroid vaporization bit, never mind that more comprehensive analysis shows that scene is of TL bolts hitting asteroids barely 3-6 meters wide on their long axis, and all the energy is expended into the asteroids with most of those shots. That brackets TL light and medium firepower to the single digit kiloton and low double-digit kiloton range.

On top of that, Alyeska has lots of problems, mostly caving into group pressure when there were plenty of Star Trek high-end firepower examples, excluding TDiC at the time that were far in excess of the SW TESB asteroids examples, so I'm not impressed by any of the arguments in that thread.

So, you're right, Robert. Nothing's gonna change, and they'll continue to wallow in denial even if Lucas and J.J. show up in their homes and tell them they're wrong and to stop.
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