A rather... startling... discovery

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Re: A rather... startling... discovery

Post by Lucky » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:28 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Regarding the advantage of antimatter versus fusion fuel, the preference of using antimatter doesn't need to support a massively superior input of overall power.

First of all because we know for sure that the UFP can store antimatter very safely. It's so asininely easy that they even allow teenagers to carry some around a spaceship, transported within a glorified fish bowl. Enough antimatter to actually allow a ship to complete a short ranged FTL maneuver.
Mith wrote:
To be fair, if we look at the TNG TM, it only takes about 20 gigajoules to create a warp field that pushes a ship to warp 1 and you only need 200 megajoules to maintain that field. The ship made that jump...what, once or twice? That' still enough for like a 10-ton bomb though.
You really shouldn't ignore quotes like this:
StarTrek The Next Generation Technical Manual

Authors' Introduction Page: VII
An important word of caution: All Starfleet personnel are hereby advised that any previous technical documentation in your possession may be suspect because of an ongoing Starfleet program of disinformation intended to confound and confuse the intelligence assets of potential forces. Such documents should therefore be verified with Federation archives, and this manual for authenticity.
If the book itself says the information is not trustworthy, do you really think it is a good idea to use it as a source?

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Re: A rather... startling... discovery

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:15 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Regarding the advantage of antimatter versus fusion fuel, the preference of using antimatter doesn't need to support a massively superior input of overall power.

First of all because we know for sure that the UFP can store antimatter very safely. It's so asininely easy that they even allow teenagers to carry some around a spaceship, transported within a glorified fish bowl. Enough antimatter to actually allow a ship to complete a short ranged FTL maneuver.
Mith wrote:
To be fair, if we look at the TNG TM, it only takes about 20 gigajoules to create a warp field that pushes a ship to warp 1 and you only need 200 megajoules to maintain that field. The ship made that jump...what, once or twice? That' still enough for like a 10-ton bomb though.
You really shouldn't ignore quotes like this:
StarTrek The Next Generation Technical Manual

Authors' Introduction Page: VII
An important word of caution: All Starfleet personnel are hereby advised that any previous technical documentation in your possession may be suspect because of an ongoing Starfleet program of disinformation intended to confound and confuse the intelligence assets of potential forces. Such documents should therefore be verified with Federation archives, and this manual for authenticity.
If the book itself says the information is not trustworthy, do you really think it is a good idea to use it as a source?
LAWL.

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Re: A rather... startling... discovery

Post by Mith » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:49 am

Lucky wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Regarding the advantage of antimatter versus fusion fuel, the preference of using antimatter doesn't need to support a massively superior input of overall power.

First of all because we know for sure that the UFP can store antimatter very safely. It's so asininely easy that they even allow teenagers to carry some around a spaceship, transported within a glorified fish bowl. Enough antimatter to actually allow a ship to complete a short ranged FTL maneuver.
Mith wrote:
To be fair, if we look at the TNG TM, it only takes about 20 gigajoules to create a warp field that pushes a ship to warp 1 and you only need 200 megajoules to maintain that field. The ship made that jump...what, once or twice? That' still enough for like a 10-ton bomb though.
You really shouldn't ignore quotes like this:
StarTrek The Next Generation Technical Manual

Authors' Introduction Page: VII
An important word of caution: All Starfleet personnel are hereby advised that any previous technical documentation in your possession may be suspect because of an ongoing Starfleet program of disinformation intended to confound and confuse the intelligence assets of potential forces. Such documents should therefore be verified with Federation archives, and this manual for authenticity.
If the book itself says the information is not trustworthy, do you really think it is a good idea to use it as a source?
Because it's such a secret to how much energy is required to push a ship into warp?

It's not like the energy generation is unreasonable...

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Re: A rather... startling... discovery

Post by Lucky » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:44 am

Lucky wrote:You really shouldn't ignore quotes like this:
StarTrek The Next Generation Technical Manual

Authors' Introduction Page: VII
An important word of caution: All Starfleet personnel are hereby advised that any previous technical documentation in your possession may be suspect because of an ongoing Starfleet program of disinformation intended to confound and confuse the intelligence assets of potential forces. Such documents should therefore be verified with Federation archives, and this manual for authenticity.
If the book itself says the information is not trustworthy, do you really think it is a good idea to use it as a source?
Mith wrote:
Because it's such a secret to how much energy is required to push a ship into warp?

It's not like the energy generation is unreasonable...
Given they are wrong about phasers, photon torpedos, and pretty much everything else I see no reason to assume they are correct about anything.

Besides, different models will have different capabilities.

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