Well... that superlative looked much better in my head :)Mr. Oragahn wrote: "Big O"? :)
Makes it sound like an enlarged hole. O_O
How about "Great master Oh"? :D
Can't recall the exact figure, but i believe it was in the triple digit megaton range.Mr. Oragahn wrote:But I think there's also a yield given to the LAAT missiles used in AOTC.
Something, once again, near the megaton range, or right in it.
The same missiles which are used against CIS wheel droids...
Great Master Oh and the Supreme Wang Shakers.Kazeite wrote:Well... that superlative looked much better in my head :)Mr. Oragahn wrote: "Big O"? :)
Makes it sound like an enlarged hole. O_O
How about "Great master Oh"? :D
You should, I eventually will, if only to have a great visual reference to the SW universe, and even if I don't believe in the weapons' yields, the ships plans and tech explanations more than make up for it, IMO... :)I don't think I'll ever buy any of these books. :o|
Dial-a-yield warheads are used on modern-day missiles. And feel free to create the AotC missile effects with a few handgrenades. REAL handgrenades, not Hollywood OMG huge fireball ones.@l33telboi
Triple digit megaton?? Do'h. That's even more funny.
Oh but I guess that missiles can be dialed down. To the equivalent of a few hand grenades.
You'll find that not a single one of them is directly contradicted.Seriously, if I had a copy of the latest two ICS, just for the fun, I'd pick every single yield in there and check how it meshes with film evidence.
I'm not as confident as you are. We already checked certain figures, like the Slave-I's missiles and guitar-bombs, SPHAT-T cannons, geonosian fighters cannons, and thusly verified LAAT shielding. We've also seen a good example of a LAAT's missiles' yield.Batman wrote:You'll find that not a single one of them is directly contradicted.Seriously, if I had a copy of the latest two ICS, just for the fun, I'd pick every single yield in there and check how it meshes with film evidence.
I note a distinct lack of numbers,as well as a complete failure to adress my points. The ICS numbers need to DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the movies, not just fail to be supported by them. Especially considering that downscaling from the DS1 gets you firepower way in excess of the Venators' 200GT per bolt already.Mr. Oragahn wrote:I'm not as confident as you are. We already checked certain figures, like the Slave-I's missiles and guitar-bombs, SPHAT-T cannons, geonosian fighters cannons, and thusly verified LAAT shielding. We've also seen a good example of a LAAT's missiles' yield.Batman wrote:You'll find that not a single one of them is directly contradicted.Seriously, if I had a copy of the latest two ICS, just for the fun, I'd pick every single yield in there and check how it meshes with film evidence.
So if we downscale Han's heavy blaster from a Heavy Turbolaser (which SW.com says they're basically the same thing, using the same mechanism), we should get close to a Ton of TNT per shot, right?Especially considering that downscaling from the DS1 gets you firepower way in excess of the Venators' 200GT per bolt already.
Oh, yes, the downscaling argument. You see, I think we're moving into a big debate right now.Batman wrote:I note a distinct lack of numbers,as well as a complete failure to adress my points. The ICS numbers need to DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the movies, not just fail to be supported by them. Especially considering that downscaling from the DS1 gets you firepower way in excess of the Venators' 200GT per bolt already.Mr. Oragahn wrote:I'm not as confident as you are. We already checked certain figures, like the Slave-I's missiles and guitar-bombs, SPHAT-T cannons, geonosian fighters cannons, and thusly verified LAAT shielding. We've also seen a good example of a LAAT's missiles' yield.Batman wrote: You'll find that not a single one of them is directly contradicted.
I wasn't aware that SW.com was particularly canon, and there's several discrepancies between the way TLs and infantry level blasters work, but if the numbers work out that way, yes?Praeothmin wrote:Batman wrote:So if we downscale Han's heavy blaster from a Heavy Turbolaser (which SW.com says they're basically the same thing, using the same mechanism), we should get close to a Ton of TNT per shot, right?Especially considering that downscaling from the DS1 gets you firepower way in excess of the Venators' 200GT per bolt already.
Yeah, because it's the volume of the bolt that matters (which, incidentally, is impossible to even approximately scale thanks to there being no way to tell what is glow and what is actually bolt) as opposed to the volume of the weapon.(I'm of course refering to a loosely based estimation of the volume of the bolts fired from the HTL of an ISD and the volume of the bolts fired by Han's blaster. Scaling down from 200 GT, if Han's blaster bolt has a
1 000 000 000 times less volume, then it should equate to 200 tons of power)
Ok, forget the volume of the Bolt then.Yeah, because it's the volume of the bolt that matters (which, incidentally, is impossible to even approximately scale thanks to there being no way to tell what is glow and what is actually bolt) as opposed to the volume of the weapon.
Well, since SW.com is under the "care" of LucasFilms/Licensing/corp (whatever), why should it be less canon then any of the EU?I wasn't aware that SW.com was particularly canon, and there's several discrepancies between the way TLs and infantry level blasters work, but if the numbers work out that way, yes?
Should any of the canon sources ever attribute that much power to the DL-44 and fail to be contradicted by higher canon sources, yes?Praeothmin wrote:Batman wrote:Ok, forget the volume of the Bolt then.Yeah, because it's the volume of the bolt that matters (which, incidentally, is impossible to even approximately scale thanks to there being no way to tell what is glow and what is actually bolt) as opposed to the volume of the weapon.
But then must we assume that scaling down from 200 GT, if Han's blaster bolt has a 1 000 000 000 times less volume, then it should equate to 200 tons of power, and that you believe it should be valid?
Because Star Wars happens to have a rather elaborate canon policy and either SW.com is mentioned in it, or it isn't?Well, since SW.com is under the "care" of LucasFilms/Licensing/corp (whatever), why should it be less canon then any of the EU?I wasn't aware that SW.com was particularly canon, and there's several discrepancies between the way TLs and infantry level blasters work, but if the numbers work out that way, yes?
I was not aware that hand blasters ever did any damage to the target before the visible bolt hit. TLs DO.And do you truly believe that there are less discrepancies between two Bolt weapons that exhibit the same kind of behavior (massless bolts, explode on impact) then between a bolt weapon (HTL) and a congragating beam weapon (DS superlaser)?
Not sure to get what you say. I think the initial point is simple, however. With TLs and blasters showing no difference in effects, why would the downscaling work from the Death Star superlaser, to a capital ship's TL, and not from, say a capital ship turbolaser, and a blaster?Batman wrote:Should any of the canon sources ever attribute that much power to the DL-44 and fail to be contradicted by higher canon sources, yes?
Please. TLs did that once. Twice, at best. Just as much as there's a laser cannon barely missing Yoda in ROTS, on Kashyyyk, exploding on the wall one frame or two before the visible bolt reaches the same point of impact on the wall.I was not aware that hand blasters ever did any damage to the target before the visible bolt hit. TLs DO.And do you truly believe that there are less discrepancies between two Bolt weapons that exhibit the same kind of behavior (massless bolts, explode on impact) then between a bolt weapon (HTL) and a congragating beam weapon (DS superlaser)?
Huh, how so? The superlaser is precisely very different, in effects, to a random turbolaser. The superlaser is a very special weapon of a kind. Above all, it requires massive power generators to work.And no I do NOT say the DS superlaser, TLs and hand weapons neccessarily function identically. However, since Wars has the technology to do the DS superlaser it is easily within their grasp to do 200GT MTLs on an Acclamator.