StarDestroyer.Net becomes 5 years old

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StarDestroyer.Net becomes 5 years old

Post by Who is like God arbour » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:00 pm

In one month, StarDestroyer.Net becomes 5 years old.Perhaps, that's a good time, to evaluate this website.

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:10 pm

I have used this as opportunity, to look at the profiles of the TOP TEN POSTERS of StarDestroyer.Net

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I have thought, that these persons would be good specimen of the clientele, StarDestroyer.Net attract.
  • Darth Wong - joined: 03 Jul 2002 (1795 days [1]) - 50251 posts - 27.98 posts per day

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  • Spanky The Dolphin - joined: 05 Jul 2002 (1793 days [1]) - 29724 posts - 16.58 posts per day

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  • Admiral Valdemar - joined: 05 Jul 2002 (1793 days [1]) - 25795 posts - 14.38 posts per day

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  • Sea Skimmer - joined: 04 Jul 2002 (1794 days [1]) - 25525 posts - 14.23 posts per day

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  • The Yosemite Bear - joined: 21 Jul 2002 (1777 days [1]) - 24602 posts - 13.84 posts per day

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  • SirNitram - joined: 03 Jul 2002 (1795 days [1]) - 23471 posts - 13.08 posts per day

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  • Ghost Rider - joined: 24 Sep 2002 (1712 days [1]) - 23413 posts - 13.68 posts per day

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  • Stormbringer - joined: 16 Jul 2002 (1782 days [1]) - 22022 posts - 12.36 posts per day

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  • Vympel - joined: 19 Jul 2002 (1779 days [1]) - 22010 posts - 12.37 posts per day

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  • MKSheppard - joined: 06 Jul 2002 (1792 days [1]) - 19683 posts - 10.98 posts per day

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Conspicuous is the high number of posts and depending on these, the high number of posts per day. These persons have all - a least - 10 posts per day on an average.

Sure, everybody needs a hobby. But this appears a not so little bit extrem.

Are these persons really good specimen of the clientele, StarDestroyer.Net attract?

How much time do they have to sit in front of their computers to be able to read all posts in the fora of StarDestroyer.Net and response at least 10 times per day?

How much time would you need?

Don't they have a real life?

I think, that appears pathetic and could be pathological. Maybe they should visit a good psychologist.

To spend so much time in front of a computer can't be healthy and point to serious mental disorders, like computer addiction disorder or internet addiction disorder.



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Post by GStone » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:18 pm

I'm assuming you mean in one month, not waiting for 5 years. ;-P

So, in a month, are you thinking of a Q&A thing or a thing where we take something we'd disagree with on the site and debate it out?

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:31 pm

GStone wrote:I'm assuming you mean in one month, not waiting for 5 years. ;-P
What have I said?
GStone wrote:So, in a month, are you thinking of a Q&A thing or a thing where we take something we'd disagree with on the site and debate it out?
What is Q&A?



I think, you should write, what you think about StarDestroyer.Net.

What is good?

What is bad?

What is conspicuous?

What is your honest opinion?

If you could, what would you change about StarDestroyer.Net?

If there is one thing especially, with which you disagree, write it. Maybe it leads to a further debatte in a new thread.

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Post by GStone » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:52 am

Who is like God arbour wrote:What have I said?
You said SDN was at least 5 years old and I was joking that you were suggesting we wait 5 years before we judge SFJN.
What is Q&A?
Question and answer.
I think, you should write, what you think about StarDestroyer.Net.

What is good?
Well, on his 'what's subspace page' or whatever it's called, he does a good job of cateloging susbspace involved events. That's about it. The conclusions he draws from them aren't good. Oh, I did like that he put up a plasma weapons page that talks about how plasma weapons are a bad idea... a while before it came out that SW weapons are plasma like, in that they are charged particle weapons= emitted gases that are charged with energy.
What is bad?
The continued insinuation that transporters kill you, for one, in direct contradiction of cross-series evidence they don't (Kirk talking during transport, Barclay still being alive when he grabbed the altered crewmen in the transporter buffer during transport, etc.)
What is conspicuous?
Using and leaving up a blatantly inaccurate asteroid calculator thing, as one thing.
What is your honest opinion?
My honest opinion is that Mike needs help and I mean that in a not joking manner. Given the reputation and style online, I can't help but think this is an outlet he can't get in the real world. That's what one part of me says. Another says for him to keep it up because of the fun I've gotten from reading what he's put up.
If you could, what would you change about StarDestroyer.Net?
Not one thing. It's one form of entertainment I can't get enough of, though I would change the number of regular updates. I know he's got a family, but still. When any site ends up like this, it gets sad. Besides, I really wanna see what he puts up for the tech page for ep 3.

I know you can hear me, Mike. Get it up already!
If there is one thing especially, with which you disagree, write it. Maybe it leads to a further debatte in a new thread.
If anything, I'd like to see him get more involved in the debate again, along with a few others that aren't in it as much anymore. Many of the rabid pro-wars people aren't as creative with twisting things as he has shown in the past. It's just not as fun.

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:21 am

I didn't mean, that you have to answer all these questions.
These should have been only suggestions.
You could have written, what you think about StarDestroyer.Net whithout answering these questions.
But if they help - OK.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:21 pm

Isn't it a tad too obsessive, huh?

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:10 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Isn't it a tad too obsessive, huh?
What?
To take the fifth anniversary of a "famous" website as occasion to evaluate it?
Or the addressed high number of posts of the TOP TEN POSTERS of StarDestroyer.Net, which point to an obsession?

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:15 pm

Who is like God arbour wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Isn't it a tad too obsessive, huh?
What?
To take the fifth anniversary of a "famous" website as occasion to evaluate it?
Or the addressed high number of posts of the TOP TEN POSTERS of StarDestroyer.Net, which point to an obsession?
Mainly put, I don't really care much about their habit and how they correctly or incorrectly spend their time.
Wondering about who does what, works where, suffers from addiction to computers or whatelse, ideas partially implied in your questions, is largely irrelevant to the debate picture.

No matter the love/hate relationship between various sites to SD.net, literally spending a whole thread to debate the men and sort of start attacking them on their hobbies/habits isn't necessary, and an open door to soft ad-hominems, which can lead to nastier bits.

What matters is the ideas they spread, not how smart or dumb they are, or if they have healthy lives or spend their time in a cave linked to internet.

Plus I think it's a lot of hassle and too much of an honour to them, much more than they actually deserve, to go analyzing their habits at such lenghts, ponder how far this treads on their real life concerns, screencaping and pasting forum profiles, and wondering about they fudamentally do of their lives.

Really, who gives?

Plus it makes this site look like a bastion for howling fiery crap at the opposite side.

Let's leave that to them, really.

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:13 pm

The section Other Websites of STARFLEET JEDI.NET is not there, as I appreciate it, to debate Star Wars vs. Star Trek, but for related websites, like StarDestroyer.Net.

This thread is not supossed to continue the Star Wars vs. Star Trek debate, but to take the fifth anniversary of it as an occasion to evaluate it.

If I would know other websites too, I would suggest the same at such an event.

I think, the question, what for clientele StarDestroyer.Net has, has to be a part in such an evaluation.
  • Maybe my conclusions are a little bit rash and it is absolutly normal to write 50251 posts in only 1795 days. For me, it doesn't seems to be normal. But you can always convey your opinion.
But sure, there are other parts of StarDestroyer.Net, which should be evaluated too. If you don't want, you don't have to say something about its clientele. Maybe you have an opinion about its contents, its structure, its being up-to-date or whatever else.

Besides, StarDestroyer.Net has other topics too, than only Star Trek, Star Wars and Star Wars vs. Star Trek. You could say something about these topics.

But be aware, that every negative critique could be conceiveed as an attack on the owner or clientele of it.
But that shouldn't stop you, to say your opinion as long as it is factual and not only supposed to fame them.

And naturally, if you have to say some positive things about StarDestroyer.Net, say them.

This thread is supossed to evaluate StarDestroyer.Net, not to only talk it down.

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:51 pm

Well, then, happy birthday to the SDN BBS!

... on the topic discussed by WILGA, while it is a little unusual for an individual to sustain posting rates of >10 posts per day on most discussion forums, it's not unusual for a reasonably sized forum to have the top ten posters all over 10 posts per day. It's not even that unusual for a forum - even a forum with over a million posts - to have the top ten posters account for one ninth of all posting activity.

These are all high figures, sure - SDN has what we may call a "tight community" or "clique," but not that unusual.

At SB.com, for example, eight of the top ten posters have over ten posts per day:
  • 23.9 - Tron (10/3/1999, 66,919)
  • 11.6 - Vendetta (6/2/1999, 33,922)
  • 16.1 - Es Arkajae (8/30/2001, 33,897)
  • 12.5 - Alyeska (2/5/2000, 33,350)
  • 13.5 - Sean21 (10/6/2000, 32,844)
  • 11.9 - RocketGirl (1/21/2001, 27,628)
  • 9.6 - Lord Woodlouse (8/19/1999, 27,302)
  • 10.4 - Admiral Valdemar (6/25/2000, 26,392)
  • 8.8 - H.B.M.C. (4/17/1999, 26093)
  • 11.1 - Xort (2/8/2001 25,486)

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Post by Nonamer » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:47 am

I must add that at SB.com, Tron's post-count is fake. He apparently just wants to be number #1 so he padded his numbers a "bit."

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:32 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote:Well, then, happy birthday to the SDN BBS!

... on the topic discussed by WILGA, while it is a little unusual for an individual to sustain posting rates of >10 posts per day on most discussion forums, it's not unusual for a reasonably sized forum to have the top ten posters all over 10 posts per day. It's not even that unusual for a forum - even a forum with over a million posts - to have the top ten posters account for one ninth of all posting activity.

These are all high figures, sure - SDN has what we may call a "tight community" or "clique," but not that unusual.

At SB.com, for example, eight of the top ten posters have over ten posts per day:
  • 23.9 - Tron (10/3/1999, 66,919)
  • 11.6 - Vendetta (6/2/1999, 33,922)
  • 16.1 - Es Arkajae (8/30/2001, 33,897)
  • 12.5 - Alyeska (2/5/2000, 33,350)
  • 13.5 - Sean21 (10/6/2000, 32,844)
  • 11.9 - RocketGirl (1/21/2001, 27,628)
  • 9.6 - Lord Woodlouse (8/19/1999, 27,302)
  • 10.4 - Admiral Valdemar (6/25/2000, 26,392)
  • 8.8 - H.B.M.C. (4/17/1999, 26093)
  • 11.1 - Xort (2/8/2001 25,486)
This Admiral Valdemar from SpaceBattles.com seems to be the same as the Admiral Valdemar from StarDestroyer.Net

He has joined SpaceBattles.com at 26 Jun 2000 and StarDestroyer.Net at 05 Jul 2000.

That would mean, that this person has written in this two fora in less than 2535 days over 52187 posts.

If he would have needed 10 minutes for each post (including reading, what was written before and then writting his posts and waiting for an answer ...) he would have spend 521'870 minutes in these 2535 days in front of his computer. That are circa 8'700 hours.

2535 days are 60840 hours. That would mean, that this Admiral Valdemar spend from each day at least three hours in front of his computer only for these two fora.
And who knows, in which fora else he is also a member.

I think, that is very alarming.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:14 am

Who is like God arbour wrote:
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Well, then, happy birthday to the SDN BBS!

... on the topic discussed by WILGA, while it is a little unusual for an individual to sustain posting rates of >10 posts per day on most discussion forums, it's not unusual for a reasonably sized forum to have the top ten posters all over 10 posts per day. It's not even that unusual for a forum - even a forum with over a million posts - to have the top ten posters account for one ninth of all posting activity.

These are all high figures, sure - SDN has what we may call a "tight community" or "clique," but not that unusual.

At SB.com, for example, eight of the top ten posters have over ten posts per day:
  • 23.9 - Tron (10/3/1999, 66,919)
  • 11.6 - Vendetta (6/2/1999, 33,922)
  • 16.1 - Es Arkajae (8/30/2001, 33,897)
  • 12.5 - Alyeska (2/5/2000, 33,350)
  • 13.5 - Sean21 (10/6/2000, 32,844)
  • 11.9 - RocketGirl (1/21/2001, 27,628)
  • 9.6 - Lord Woodlouse (8/19/1999, 27,302)
  • 10.4 - Admiral Valdemar (6/25/2000, 26,392)
  • 8.8 - H.B.M.C. (4/17/1999, 26093)
  • 11.1 - Xort (2/8/2001 25,486)
This Admiral Valdemar from SpaceBattles.com seems to be the same as the Admiral Valdemar from StarDestroyer.Net

He has joined SpaceBattles.com at 26 Jun 2000 and StarDestroyer.Net at 05 Jul 2000.

That would mean, that this person has written in this two fora in less than 2535 days over 52187 posts.

If he would have needed 10 minutes for each post (including reading, what was written before and then writting his posts and waiting for an answer ...) he would have spend 521'870 minutes in these 2535 days in front of his computer. That are circa 8'700 hours.

2535 days are 60840 hours. That would mean, that this Admiral Valdemar spend from each day at least three hours in front of his computer only for these two fora.
And who knows, in which fora else he is also a member.

I think, that is very alarming.
Eventually (assuming real life common work or study schedules), but again, why does it matter exactly?

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:21 am

    • Mr. Oragahn wrote:Eventually (assuming real life common work or study schedules), but again, why does it matter exactly?
[url=http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4555#4555]Who is like God arbour[/url] already wrote:I think, the question, what for clientele StarDestroyer.Net has, has to be a part in such an evaluation.
    • Usually, nobody would evaluate something, like e.g. an hotel, a restaurant or another business, without also looking at its clientele. It's important, to estimate, how good this something is for its specific clientele and how good it would be for other persons, which doesn't fit in this clientele.
      It's also important for the reputation. If theoretical StarDestroyer.Net would only have fora, in which bums, criminals and maniacs, respectively monomaniacs or otherwise bad-tempered persons participate, it would be important for an in-depth evaluation. That's especially important, when in a forum [...]
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[...] the top ten posters account for one ninth of all posting activity.
    • Then these top ten posters affect mostly the whole vibe of a forum, but also the prominence of it. When a forum has only a [...]
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[...] "tight community" or "clique," [...]
    • [...] it has not a broad clientele.
        • These top ten posters are circa 0,25 percent of all of the 4023 registered members of StarDestroyer.Net. But with their 266'488 posts, they have circa 11.65 percent of all of the circa 2'300'000 posts written.
      Such a forum doesn't seem to attract many people in the length of time. That could mean, that it seems to have more prominence on the surface of it, than it really has and deserve. But such thing is only ascertainable on closer inspection.

      I think, that's why the clientele is a quality, albeit not the only quality, which is very important to inspect for an in-depth evaluation.
      That's exactly, why it matters - in my opinion.

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