Star Trek and RL antimatter

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Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Picard » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:35 pm

http://www3.telus.net/sci-fi-tech/st-antimatter.htm

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco ... -soon.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... atter.html

http://www.daviddarling.info/encycloped ... rprop.html

http://www.startrek.com/database_articl ... r-universe

http://movies.ign.com/articles/114/1143929p1.html

Antimatter-based universe is one possibility I myself have been thinking about, but I don't agree with "time running in reverse" thing. If there is copy of our universe based on antimatter, why would that cause sudden reversal of timeline (antitime)? I see no reason for that.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:28 am

Well that explains a lot.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Khas » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:13 am

Who knows? Maybe the laws of physics were different in that universe? Normal universe antimatter behaves realistically in ST, for the most part.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:18 am

Picard wrote:http://www3.telus.net/sci-fi-tech/st-antimatter.htm

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco ... -soon.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... atter.html

http://www.daviddarling.info/encycloped ... rprop.html

http://www.startrek.com/database_articl ... r-universe

http://movies.ign.com/articles/114/1143929p1.html

Antimatter-based universe is one possibility I myself have been thinking about, but I don't agree with "time running in reverse" thing. If there is copy of our universe based on antimatter, why would that cause sudden reversal of timeline (antitime)? I see no reason for that.
As I recall multiverse theory suggests there may be at least one universe out there that time runs in reverse from our perspective as I recall. The whole everything being the opposite of our universe is therefore theoretically realistic as I understand it as a guy on the street.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Picard » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:25 am

Such universe might exist (althought I don't see how) but it has nothing to do with antimatter. Antimatter abides to same laws as matter does in certain universe; claimimg that just beacouse universe is composed from antmatter time must automatically go in reverse (anti-time), is absurd. To me it seems that someone likes anti- prefix too much.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:13 pm

Picard wrote:Such universe might exist (althought I don't see how) but it has nothing to do with antimatter. Antimatter abides to same laws as matter does in certain universe; claimimg that just beacouse universe is composed from antmatter time must automatically go in reverse (anti-time), is absurd. To me it seems that someone likes anti- prefix too much.
Multiverse theory says each universe will have it's own laws of physics, and at least some versions of the theory say that mommy universes spawn baby universes in pairs that are equal but opposite in every way.

You are mixing up alternate time lines with alternate universes.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Picard » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:00 am

I know what alternite timeline is, and I know what alternate universe is. But I am pointing out that there is no connection between antimatter and antitime.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:11 am

Picard wrote:I know what alternite timeline is, and I know what alternate universe is. But I am pointing out that there is no connection between antimatter and antitime.
Anti-Time is canon in Star Trek, and nearly destroys the universe.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Anti-time

Time not moving the same way in all universes is part of multiverse theory.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Picard » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:47 pm

I know. But that has nothing to do with my point about connection between two (or better, lack of connection). You can have antimatter-based universe where time is running normally, antitime universe based on matter, as well as antitime universe based on antimatter.

EDIT: On another note, "antitime universe" is probably impossible - you would have (for example) apple tree growing backwards towards being sapling, then that sapling turning into pit, then pit turning into rotten apple, and rotten apple "unrotting" towards new apple. Problem is that, at one point, you would have to have apple which fell to the tree "jumping" back on traversal; that partcular feat would require gravity changing into antigravity; as everything we see in universe (planets, stars, etc.) is held together by gravity, there would be literally no visible objects in universe, only particles held by nuclear, covalent, ionic or similar bonds would exist (making mollecules largest possible "pieces" of matter / antimatter within universe). That alone makes universe same as ours which just has time running backwards utterly impossible.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:42 am

Picard wrote:I know. But that has nothing to do with my point about connection between two (or better, lack of connection). You can have antimatter-based universe where time is running normally, antitime universe based on matter, as well as antitime universe based on antimatter.

EDIT: On another note, "antitime universe" is probably impossible - you would have (for example) apple tree growing backwards towards being sapling, then that sapling turning into pit, then pit turning into rotten apple, and rotten apple "unrotting" towards new apple. Problem is that, at one point, you would have to have apple which fell to the tree "jumping" back on traversal; that partcular feat would require gravity changing into antigravity; as everything we see in universe (planets, stars, etc.) is held together by gravity, there would be literally no visible objects in universe, only particles held by nuclear, covalent, ionic or similar bonds would exist (making mollecules largest possible "pieces" of matter / antimatter within universe). That alone makes universe same as ours which just has time running backwards utterly impossible.
Picard, the anti-universe would be possible because the laws of physics would be different there then those in our universe.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Picard » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:37 pm

And that is entire point. For anti-universe to exist, everything should be opposite - meaning that gravity should deflect objects apart, instead of drawing them together. Meaning that nothing would be able to remain in one piece.

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Re: Star Trek and RL antimatter

Post by Lucky » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:22 am

Picard wrote:And that is entire point. For anti-universe to exist, everything should be opposite - meaning that gravity should deflect objects apart, instead of drawing them together. Meaning that nothing would be able to remain in one piece.
Given the "stars" were black I'd say the place runs on a different set of physical laws then we do.

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