NX-1 Enterprise and NX-2 Columbia in Galactica

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NX-1 Enterprise and NX-2 Columbia in Galactica

Post by Lucky » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:00 pm

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=182068
Well Rama seems like a real idiot since he thinks the NX-1 was several kilometers long. By his reasoning "Way Of the Warrior" shows the Defiant class is multiple kilometers log as well. He's as crazier then Dark Star.

I do love how they ignore the possibility that phase cannon beams change size as the get farther from the ship, or that they have a wide beam settings.

Does anyone have the quotes from "Silent Enemy" about the phase cannon tests? It's looking Star Fleet inputs X amount of energy into their weapons, and then a much higher amount comes out.

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Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:59 pm

Lucky wrote:http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=182068
Well Rama seems like a real idiot since he thinks the NX-1 was several kilometers long. By his reasoning "Way Of the Warrior" shows the Defiant class is multiple kilometers log as well. He's as crazier then Dark Star.

I do love how they ignore the possibility that phase cannon beams change size as the get farther from the ship, or that they have a wide beam settings.

Does anyone have the quotes from "Silent Enemy" about the phase cannon tests? It's looking Star Fleet inputs X amount of energy into their weapons, and then a much higher amount comes out.

Just accept that the beams widened and thickened at range and if any warsies start whining just point out that denying such will mean a rescaling of Alderaan as well because the superlaser beam does the same thing.

EDIT: HEH i beat you to the draw picard and added a image :)...

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:35 pm

More accurately the stated 500 gigajoule output was for a single cannon, not the total yield of the forward main battery combined. So the actual total yeild for two overloaded phase cannons is 10 terajoules, not 5 TJ.

There's another, more metaphysical factor that was left out in the OP. The Earth of Star Trek is not the Earth (or Earths) of the reimagined BSG verse. The "God" thing that was controlling all the events of the series leading the combined Human and Cylon fleet to the second Earth would probably not take too kindly to outside interlopers interfering with 'The Plan'.

What would Head Baltar and Head Six do about this?
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Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:21 am

Rama seems batshit crazy

i would think that the Q and the Organians would run game against "gods" wrath considering how special earth is to the Q

as for guiding them to earth it's doable I'm not sure they would be able to ease as much of the food and resource burdens but beefing up the big G is doable..and woe be any cylon ship that takes on the little E

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Post by 2046 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:59 am

While I agree phaser beams could bloom to some extent, I think it safest to just roll with the engineer's numbers rather than what can (as seen) be quite easily dismissed as captain's hyperbole.

Or, more to the point, I don't think the phaser bloom, if applicable, would bring it anywhere near such sizes.

On the other hand, the apparent circularity of the asteroid might sway it in the other direction, since that implies a lower limit on the size of something like 900km, IIRC . . . meaning that crater (and the mountain within) would've had to be hella-big.

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Post by Lucky » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:43 am

I made this thread after watching Silent Enemy
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... f=8&t=1821

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:26 pm

Admiral Breetai wrote:i would think that the Q and the Organians would run game against "gods" wrath considering how special earth is to the Q
Why do you think the Q would bother? There's been plenty of times the Q could have interfered in Earth's affiars, or intervened on their behalf many times beyond the few that they did, but did not.

Furthermore, the Organians are fairly pacifistic and do not take any major actions unless something directly provokes them as was the case when the Klingon Empire and the Federation tried using their planet as a staging base in their attempted war against each other. So no, you still have "God" getting pissed off that these interlopers from another universe are messing around with it's plan to unite Human and Cylon on Second Earth.
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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:05 pm

Oh, another thing occurs to me. The Cylon hacking ability only was possible because of Caprica Six gaining access to the Colonial defense mainframe and placing into them the "backdoors" in the software that allowed the Raiders to shut down viper and battlestar systems. So unless one of Cavil's little group of Cylons in the RTF (see the BSG movie "The Plan") can infiltrate the Starfleet crews, gain access to to the computers on Enterprise or Columbia, and install back doors or do other sabotage, it's really unlikely that they'll be able to hack them at all, at least not directly.

Remember that once the backdoors in the software were discovered and purged, the Cylons were largely unable to affect systems on the Galactica and Pegasus, or their viper fighters.
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Post by Admiral Breetai » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:32 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Why do you think the Q would bother? There's been plenty of times the Q could have interfered in Earth's affiars, or intervened on their behalf many times beyond the few that they did, but did not.]
when humanity needed removal from a stagnant nature the Q jumped and gave them the Borg..Q's own comments with Picard show they have a very very strong inclinination to help humanity

this would also be a case of a being potentially on the Dowds scale..if not near they're own directly intefering with the affairs of mortals at a horrific cost..and on the race that seems to be the chosen to successor..to everything from the preservers..to surpassing the Q themsevles

it's hard for me not to believe that they wouldn't intervene on earth based man kinds behalf
Mike DiCenso wrote:Furthermore, the Organians are fairly pacifistic and do not take any major actions unless something directly provokes them as was the case when the Klingon Empire and the Federation tried using their planet as a staging base in their attempted war against each other. So no, you still have "God" getting pissed off that these interlopers from another universe are messing around with it's plan to unite Human and Cylon on Second Earth.
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The Organians..probably would sit on they're asses that's true...but the Q? they would not

as for "god" we really have no effing clue what the bastards capable of beyond him being a bigger dick then the judeo christian god..I'm not gonna hand wave the guy..Q level power to..god forbid LT like abilities...for all we know it could be like the OT with the ship of lights or a Triad or Lorien type thing

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Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:41 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:
Admiral Breetai wrote:i would think that the Q and the Organians would run game against "gods" wrath considering how special earth is to the Q
Why do you think the Q would bother? There's been plenty of times the Q could have interfered in Earth's affiars, or intervened on their behalf many times beyond the few that they did, but did not.
There are plenty of times it seems Q himself or the Q have helped humanity as we saw Quinn helped and guided humanity by merely bumping newtons apple tree, giving a hippy a lift and aiding Rikers ancestor. We have no idea how many other subtle ways that the Q have changed or guided the course of humanity if all it takes is a nudge here and there and a total understanding of the butterfly effect.

Q himself seems to be more about finding ways to help humanity as loudly as possible while devising ways of annoying the fuck out of the humans he has to deal with to do so.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:59 pm

Quinn got into trouble for a lot of what he did with the rest of the Q, and Delanci Q never came to anyone's real aid beyond what he needed as far as testing Humanity and the Federation were concerned.

So where was Q during the Dominion War? Where were they in the alternate timeline where the Klingon Emipre and the Federation went to war, and the Federation seemed to be on the losing end?

If the Q are helping Humanity on the sly, then they'll probably understand "God" and what it is doing for it's Humanity and Cylons, and likely not do too much to interfere.
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Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:09 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:Quinn got into trouble for a lot of what he did with the rest of the Q, and Delanci Q never came to anyone's real aid beyond what he needed as far as testing Humanity and the Federation were concerned.
Big picture he helped humanity a lot while entertaining himself, without his actions in Q-WHO the borg would have assimilated the federation.
So where was Q during the Dominion War?
Watching or doing other shit as he was no needed, we won remember and as he can travel through time he knew that he was not needed.
Where were they in the alternate timeline where the Klingon Emipre and the Federation went to war, and the Federation seemed to be on the losing end?
Again not needed, that timeline did not happen due to the actions of picard sending the ship back to get blowed up with tasha so she could get knocked by a romulan.

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Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:36 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Quinn got into trouble for a lot of what he did with the rest of the Q, and Delanci Q never came to anyone's real aid beyond what he needed as far as testing Humanity and the Federation were concerned. ]
he told a bunch of space hippies they needed their balls back..that they was fastly becoming chumps who couldn't handle a pack of spoonheaded gang bangers..and needed shake that off and remember what it was really like out there

Picard told him to STFU more or less and he gave them the gift of a first contact scenario..to remind them

it was tough love

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Mike DiCenso wrote:So where was Q during the Dominion War?
eating some popcorn and wondering why the founders didn't think guys who could revive dead suns and create a genesis device couldn't virus bomb their entire species? he had..absolutely no reason to get involved

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Mike DiCenso wrote:Where were they in the alternate timeline where the Klingon Emipre and the Federation went to war, and the Federation seemed to be on the losing end?
Guinen was there..she handled it, when your buddies got whoopi as back up very little else is needed.
Mike DiCenso wrote:If the Q are helping Humanity on the sly, then they'll probably understand "God" and what it is doing for it's Humanity and Cylons, and likely not do too much to interfere.
-Mike
only BSG god is a massive massive prick who completely stagnated humanity and screwed over both species in a spectacular display of near PC superman type pettyness

Gods plan certainly isn't very helpful..God's a mega douche in Moore's work and I cannot see Q not acting directly-it's that kind of out of line blatant abuse in far less damaging form that cheeses the Q off any ways

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