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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Lucky » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:51 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:If you mean ban him because of his-her-it's behavior in the thread from the OP, I just checked, and nothing so far. I place 50/50 odds it's used as an excuse to permanently close the thread.
-Mike
Just for his/her/it's behavior in general. It's bad when he/her/it admits to just being a troll, continues to act as a troll, people wonder why said troll has not been banned and catalog the offenses, and then the mods do nothing.

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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:07 am

That's true as well. By the way, in any of those threads InvaderSkooj linked to, have you seen any real disciplinary action taken against a Warsie?
-Mike

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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Lucky » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:39 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:That's true as well.
ricrery1 doesn't even seem to try new stuff even. It's the same every thread.
Mike DiCenso wrote:By the way, in any of those threads InvaderSkooj linked to, have you seen any real disciplinary action taken against a Warsie?
-Mike
Beyond showing there are a lot of people at Space Battles that don't think the ICS are a Good Representation of the SW Universe.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=144730

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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:11 pm

InvaderSkooj wrote:
Another what?
Could you, perhaps, elaborate, and say which Warsie has been punished by whom on what page?
That could help.
Even just the name of the punished party would help as well...


What? Open threads with unbanned Anti-ICS perpetrators scare you?
No, just threads with over 35 pages of posts.
But hey, if no anti-ICS perpetrators have been banned, then it's good... :)

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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:10 pm

InvaderSkooj wrote:http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 230&page=4

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... +star+trek

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... +star+trek

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... +star+trek

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... +star+trek

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... rek&page=8

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... rek&page=3

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... rek&page=2

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... +star+trek

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=144730

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... hlight=isd

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... isd&page=6


Yes the EVIL WARSIE "CONSPIRACY" must be slacking. Perhaps you should apply to be a mod since the slackers in charge now have done a horrible job suppressing "THE TRUTH"
Hold on.
If you want clear cut examples of biased moderation, you just have to look at the threads here, in this section of the forum. They contain telling examples of other people threatened or banned because of lopsided standards.
He'd also have not to forget the numerous examples which we have available at SFJN of firepower that's not as high as he thinks.
He would have to cope with it, just like Vympel, both frequently "forgetting" the terajoules of energy.
If your point is that the people posting in the threads you've linked to are not banned, I can easily tell you why: they don't insist. They don't reply to silly statements. They don't argue, and even newcomers like Jared don't know their stuff well enough to know what kind of evidence to bring forth to stand their ground.
See, I can easily pick an example from the thread at the end of your first link and give you a demonstration of what's kaput over there.
Aside from Ricery, who's not a debater but a broken record playing the same Star Wank tune, here's what CPLF said:
Cpl_Facehugger wrote:
Chivera wrote: 2. Don't need too both the movies and the cartoon are considered higher canon than the books and have no case of absurd firepower over trek. And even in the books there are no cases of anything over 200MT barring superweapons being used and that is only 40% greater than the yield of quantum torpedo's which trek ships are shown to be able to take a number of before there shields collapse.
Mmmhmm? Slave Ship has turbolasers having "gigatons" worth of recoil. That's just off the top of my head, mind. There's lots more examples of firepower greater than two hundred megatons without citing the ICS at all.

Not that there's any real way to calculate yield from most events in the movies or just about every example in the cartoon/TCW to begin with.
If the anti-ICS crowd had not been banned repeatedly a few years ago and either silenced that way, or convinced of not arguing at depth anymore, that kind of shit wouldn't fly at all.
Hell, his recollection of the quote isn't even correct to boot. It's not the recoil that's measured in gigatons, but an "explosion" in the "giga-tonnage range".
Funnily enough, it's said that without the "recoil-dissipation casings", "a single shot fired in battle would rip a destroyer or battle cruiser in two," which of course never happens in SW, when ships are struck by enemy firepower while shields are down.
And yet an asteroid impact far from having that kind of power completely obliterates a whole bridge tower on an ISD.
In AOTC, SPHA-Ts molest a large Trade Federation coreship without displaying enough close to that kind of firepower. In ROTS, a SPHA-T rapes in one shot an enemy warship, and yet again we're not seeing anything remotely close to megatons of energy being poured into the pressurized guts of the targeted craft in question. The question of shields being totally irrelevant of course, because we're looking at what the superstructures can cope with when directly hit.

Besides, that gigaton figure used by the author most likely was directly borrowed from Wong's claims (most people from the ASVS period assumed the 2 GT max firepower for an ISD was a high end, when SDNers argue that Wong always treated it as a low end)... a figure of course obtained from the movies... after assuming laser cannons were true laser cannons (see for example his megaton photon shot that hits the Millenium Falcon - no flak burst)... and yet, the same movies which apparently CPLF believes are not useful to obtain figures...

The irony.

Would he post such a thing on a board where people seem to know their stuff better than he does - namely here - he'd be required to elaborate his claims about the other references.
Notice how no one even bothers him with that at SBC.
Notice how Ladiesman, a Trekkie, starts a thread with a staunch statement about how a couple large warships from the GE have so much firepower that they can steamroll the entire Trek galaxy.
Ladiesman can think what he wants, he's free to do so, but I'd have expected better from someone who's been on those boards for so long. I would have not expected such an ignorant statement in 2010, without specifying "only ICS" in the thread. It appears like he completely missed the whole ICS debate.
It's that kind of "play it safe and bow" rule of thumb that allows people to stay in place.

InvaderSkooj, the fact is that many "debaters" at SBC are just too ignorant, that's all. Not stupid. Just ignorant. The ones who would properly and intelligently dispute such claims are largely not bothered to debunk that crap anymore, or have been banned anyway.



Mike DiCenso wrote:That's true as well. By the way, in any of those threads InvaderSkooj linked to, have you seen any real disciplinary action taken against a Warsie?
-Mike
Having kept an eye on many SW threads, notably the biggest ones since 2007, I can easily tell that it happens rarely. Most of the time, the Warsie that's getting slapped is just some kind of obvious troll, almost too easy as an excuse.
Just fuses.

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Re: Spacebattles.com Can EU Star Trek...

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:01 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:That's true as well.
Lucky wrote: ricrery1 doesn't even seem to try new stuff even. It's the same every thread.
Many Warsies are like that now. Cut and paste same old same old Wong stuff, make personal attacks, repeat until the opposition gets fed up and gives up, then declare victory. But Ricery1 strikes me as something different, possibly a sock puppet to start flame wars, and get the thread shut down by the mods.
Mike DiCenso wrote:By the way, in any of those threads InvaderSkooj linked to, have you seen any real disciplinary action taken against a Warsie?
-Mike
Lucky wrote: Beyond showing there are a lot of people at Space Battles that don't think the ICS are a Good Representation of the SW Universe.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=144730
Well, duh. We have known for the past five years or so that a lot of the membership on SBC don't think that it accurately represents the Star Wars verse. As Oragahn has pointed out, most of those people won't speak up too much for fear of getting banned by obviously biased mods.
-Mike

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