Re: SWTC and Saxton's distance from versus debates
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:38 pm
Aha, so they've been removed. Good catch.
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Here's another, after going on about the required energy a Star Destroyer must produce (note that the maximum inflated BDZ theory's numbers were employed for this):You could make solid or liquid deuterium, but it would involve vast pressures. If you punctured your container, the deuterium would decompressively evaporate and the gas expansion would mimic the violence of a nuke.
Michael will say that this is better than any imaginable antimatter scheme, despite the fact that you'll need to carry fifty times as much fuel mass. He'll be worried about how to keep exploding starships unspectacular.
I would prefer to consider more imaginative antimatter schemes than the fairly simplistic one used in 'Trek. And I don't necessarily commit myself to antimatter per se. My position is that the SW fuel source (at least for big warships and Death Stars) should be at least as good as antimatter. I would also entertain suggestions involving tamed mini black holes, for instance. (With mini black holes, the problem is in keeping them from vanishing altogether; black holes have a tight surface and aren't at risk of spilling all over the place or breaking into unmanagable bits. When a black hole accidentally touches and gobbles up part of its container, it just becomes bigger and cooler. Etc. Pardon my parenthetical rambling.)
None of these quantities is too great for the antimatter (or equivalent) to be stored at normal, water-like densities. The ISD would only need a few 100m holds full of anti-water, anti-hydrogen or some such substance. When examining the interior schematic of a star destroyer, it is important to remember that not every important piece of equipment sits in the plane of the cut-away. There may be many fuel containers off to the sides of the ship.
I guess that a star destroyer does not perform a Base Delta Zero (crustal melt) order very often, but the fuel stocks of a fully laden destroyer must be at least this great. Note that the value for melting the crust to a depth of one metre (a conservative minimum) is approximately equivalent to a few hundred or a few thousand hyperjumps. This is a fortunate coincidence! It means that we can suppose that the fuel capacity of an ISD is (say) a couple of times the BD0 energy, and a ship operating under normal conditions (doesn't execute a BD0) is expected to make several thousand jumps before refueling at a space station.
It was considerably worse. From the beginning their methodology was immensely dishonest.2046 wrote:That's how they chose hypermatter, of course, and assigned to it all manner of unusual properties. It was a blank slate that sounded better than "solar ionization reactor", and could have more wildly varying properties drawn onto it. Amusingly, they were either unaware or unconcerned about the existence of real hypermatter (referring to hyperons and such), and instead declared Star Wars hypermatter to be a tachyonic matter from the hyperspace domain with imaginary complex mass or whatever, even though the very nature of its properties rather contradicted the existence of big honking thrusters on the back of the ships. After all, if you have mass reduction technology that allows you to reduce your mass even beyond zero, you shouldn't need anything but the barest minimum of thrusters.
I wonder where all that anti-fuel goes when, say, the power generators of Echo Base were destroyed. Or I equally wonder what happens to that same fuel when that Star Destroyer blew up in ROTJ. Surely, we'd want a bit more boom for such events.Here's another, after going on about the required energy a Star Destroyer must produce (note that the maximum inflated BDZ theory's numbers were employed for this):
None of these quantities is too great for the antimatter (or equivalent) to be stored at normal, water-like densities. The ISD would only need a few 100m holds full of anti-water, anti-hydrogen or some such substance. When examining the interior schematic of a star destroyer, it is important to remember that not every important piece of equipment sits in the plane of the cut-away. There may be many fuel containers off to the sides of the ship.
I guess that a star destroyer does not perform a Base Delta Zero (crustal melt) order very often, but the fuel stocks of a fully laden destroyer must be at least this great. Note that the value for melting the crust to a depth of one metre (a conservative minimum) is approximately equivalent to a few hundred or a few thousand hyperjumps. This is a fortunate coincidence! It means that we can suppose that the fuel capacity of an ISD is (say) a couple of times the BD0 energy, and a ship operating under normal conditions (doesn't execute a BD0) is expected to make several thousand jumps before refueling at a space station.
Have located the saves for the first three, but still looking for that extra one I noted a few posts ago. Given that it was a cache I have no idea what the name could be, so I figure I'll just keep sorting and eventually I'll come across it.2046 wrote:Hey, who else saved these? My hard drives are an organizational nightmare at the moment with stuff strewn about and I haven't located my saves.
If you saved it at the same time, sort by date.2046 wrote:Have located the saves for the first three, but still looking for that extra one I noted a few posts ago. Given that it was a cache I have no idea what the name could be, so I figure I'll just keep sorting and eventually I'll come across it.2046 wrote:Hey, who else saved these? My hard drives are an organizational nightmare at the moment with stuff strewn about and I haven't located my saves.
This has been adressed in another thread... civilized world.The Imperial Star Destroyer has enough firepower to reduce a civilized world to slag
Imperial Sourcebook, p.61
Reducing planetary surface to a smoking debris requires far less energy than melting it... a widespread forest fire can do that.These colossal, wedge-shaped behemoths, bristling with turboweapons and carrying entire TIE squadrons within them, each possess more firepower than the entire planetary forces of most worlds, and can reduce a planet surface to smoking debris in a matter of hours.
Tiny base reduced to slag, and "its atmosphere" seems to be referring to atmosphere of the base. From that, Dankayo seems to be an asteroid. (Looking now at Wookiepedia, it was a planet... funnily, while orbital bombardment stripped away its atmosphere, it failed to either fully destroy a minor base or even detonate charges Rebelas have set. NDF, anyone?)... to rendezvous at Dankayo and reduce the tiny base to molten slag. Even before the last of its atmosphere drifted away, before the dense clouds of atomized topsoil could begin to settle, Imperial transports Elusive and Timely, as well as a complement of TIE fighters, moved in to perform "mop-up" operations and a through search of Dankayo's now evenly-cratered surface.
Hell, no need to bring something that complex. The moment you have access to ALL data, it's even simpler. ;)Picard wrote:Just few things... maybe this should go to another thread but I don't remember if such thread exist and if things have been mentioned:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/isd.html#weaponry-novels
This has been adressed in another thread... civilized world.The Imperial Star Destroyer has enough firepower to reduce a civilized world to slag
Imperial Sourcebook, p.61
Reducing planetary surface to a smoking debris requires far less energy than melting it... a widespread forest fire can do that.These colossal, wedge-shaped behemoths, bristling with turboweapons and carrying entire TIE squadrons within them, each possess more firepower than the entire planetary forces of most worlds, and can reduce a planet surface to smoking debris in a matter of hours.
Tiny base reduced to slag, and "its atmosphere" seems to be referring to atmosphere of the base. From that, Dankayo seems to be an asteroid. (Looking now at Wookiepedia, it was a planet... funnily, while orbital bombardment stripped away its atmosphere, it failed to either fully destroy a minor base or even detonate charges Rebelas have set. NDF, anyone?)... to rendezvous at Dankayo and reduce the tiny base to molten slag. Even before the last of its atmosphere drifted away, before the dense clouds of atomized topsoil could begin to settle, Imperial transports Elusive and Timely, as well as a complement of TIE fighters, moved in to perform "mop-up" operations and a through search of Dankayo's now evenly-cratered surface.
Have you tried using something like the Internet Wayback Machine or something similar?http://archive.org/web/2046 wrote:I try not to leverage buzzwords like "cloud" going forward, though holistic approaches could bring to the table synergistic benefits toward aligning with my organizational sustainability goals.