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Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:43 pm

Mike D wrote:They're obviously trying to make SFJN appear rather overly simplistic terms
When have you ever seen them describe anybody not agreeing with them in terms anything but simplistic (and often insulting)?
Honestly though, I don't know why you make the effort to write the truth, when they don't care about it.

Like someone famous once said:
"They can't handle the truth!"

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:05 pm

Mike D wrote:They're obviously trying to make SFJN appear rather overly simplistic terms
Praeothmin wrote: Honestly though, I don't know why you make the effort to write the truth, when they don't care about it.
So that it can never be said that I didn't at least try. Several of them have invited us over, and so I decided to take at least one opportunity.
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Post by GStone » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:45 pm

When you have to pay to get your foot in the door, it isn't an invite. For some of its member, it's like giving a gun to a chimp, even one of those 2 shot, tiny ones. A real invite would be leaving it to the individual if they wanted to give personal info or cash.

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Post by The Corporal » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:03 am

The board was open to all comers for a couple months (since the update IIRC) and it got trolled by chaners posting kiddie porn a week or so ago. It's since gone back to mod approved registration but I don't think you need to provide a donation anymore.

At any rate, the Wiki was set up specifically to mock the VS debate.

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Post by Praeothmin » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:17 pm

The Corporal wrote:At any rate, the Wiki was set up specifically to mock the VS debate.
Notice how it only mocks the Trek side of the debate, and never the Wars side?

I think we all know who exactly this wiki was set up to mock...

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Post by The Corporal » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:14 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
Notice how it only mocks the Trek side of the debate, and never the Wars side?

I think we all know who exactly this wiki was set up to mock...
*shrug* Does it really matter?

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:15 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
The Corporal wrote:At any rate, the Wiki was set up specifically to mock the VS debate.
Notice how it only mocks the Trek side of the debate, and never the Wars side?

I think we all know who exactly this wiki was set up to mock...
Unless the article involves Karen Traviss and the Mandalorians/Fandalorians.
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Post by Praeothmin » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:18 pm

The Corporal wrote:*shrug* Does it really matter?
Not really, it's just that I thought you were somehow defending it.
I apologize if I got the wrong message.

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Post by The Corporal » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:24 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
Not really, it's just that I thought you were somehow defending it.
I apologize if I got the wrong message.
Nah, I mean it's occasionaly funny but I don't spare much time on it.

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Post by ILikeDeathNote » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:13 pm

I think the number is retardedly low myself, but I have to wonder how many actually realize Traviss was just following George Lucas' own stipulations.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:53 pm

Yeah, but for the talifans to borderline stalk and harass her regardless of whether or not it was stipulated to her how many Clonetroopers there are is just plain nuts. This isn't that important, but apparently it is to some.
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:08 pm

The Corporal wrote:The board was open to all comers for a couple months (since the update IIRC) and it got trolled by chaners posting kiddie porn a week or so ago. It's since gone back to mod approved registration but I don't think you need to provide a donation anymore.

At any rate, the Wiki was set up specifically to mock the VS debate.
If you're worried about 4chan denizens coming and trolling with kiddie porn, you sic the federales on them, and also start banning whole IP ranges if they proxy. I'd think there would be less of a response time problem on SDN than it is here, since we only have one staff member (me) who averages less than two posts per day. Granted, SDN also goes out of its way to generate a lot more ill-will than SFJ does, which provides motivation for people to come vandalize the board, and SDN is also very tightly controlled with lots of rules, which also motivates trolls and vandals.

The wiki may be mockery, but I don't find it terribly amusing (not many decent jokes, and I never found the irony of a badly written article claiming someone else is stupid to be that funny after the first twenty times), and the SDN community seems to take it too seriously as well. If I'm looking for a laugh, I'll go read something funny, like a webcomic.

I have to second what ILikeDeathNote said. The GAR numbers given by Karen Traviss seem absolutely ridiculous, at least at first glance, but she is just following Lucas's cues regarding the number of Jedi and clones. Saxton's numbers are, at a minimum, no less ridiculous in the opposite direction, and have become more problematic over time in the EU. Moreover, his SW writing career seems to be on hold, while hers is taking off like a rocket - and this contrast is quite possibly because of the adverse reactions anti-Traviss Saxtonites provoked from various LucasWhatever employees.

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Post by The Corporal » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:34 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote: If you're worried about 4chan denizens coming and trolling with kiddie porn, you sic the federales on them, and also start banning whole IP ranges if they proxy. I'd think there would be less of a response time problem on SDN than it is here, since we only have one staff member (me) who averages less than two posts per day. Granted, SDN also goes out of its way to generate a lot more ill-will than SFJ does, which provides motivation for people to come vandalize the board, and SDN is also very tightly controlled with lots of rules, which also motivates trolls and vandals.
I'm sure that's all been done. The board was only disrupted for perhaps an hour thanks to the use of the report button and members turning off images in posts.
The wiki may be mockery, but I don't find it terribly amusing (not many decent jokes, and I never found the irony of a badly written article claiming someone else is stupid to be that funny after the first twenty times), and the SDN community seems to take it too seriously as well. If I'm looking for a laugh, I'll go read something funny, like a webcomic.
I think your reading to much into what I've said.
I wrote: Nah, I mean it's occasionaly funny but I don't spare much time on it.
In total I've maybe spent an hour or two on it since it was formed.
I have to second what ILikeDeathNote said. The GAR numbers given by Karen Traviss seem absolutely ridiculous, at least at first glance, but she is just following Lucas's cues regarding the number of Jedi and clones. Saxton's numbers are, at a minimum, no less ridiculous in the opposite direction, and have become more problematic over time in the EU. Moreover, his SW writing career seems to be on hold, while hers is taking off like a rocket - and this contrast is quite possibly because of the adverse reactions anti-Traviss Saxtonites provoked from various LucasWhatever employees.
I think it's more that (in my case anyways) that her reaction to the criticism was over the top. And IIRC Saxton had recieved a research offer or other employment in his actual field of study and took them up on it.

At any rate, after seeing the crap that was shoveled out for The Force Unleashed I really want nothing else to do with SW. It's a cool set of movies but there's other sci-fi out there.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:09 am

The Corporal wrote: I really want nothing else to do with SW. It's a cool set of movies but there's other sci-fi out there.
I don't really consider SW to be sci-fi. It's more like high-fantasy with the trappings of sci-fi thrown over it. In a weird sort of way, if you want to get an idea of what the SW saga would be like with the sci-fi trappings stripped off and medieval Sword and Sorcery fantasy ones put on, just rent or borrow a copy of "Willow" some time.
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Post by The Corporal » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:21 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:
I don't really consider SW to be sci-fi. It's more like high-fantasy with the trappings of sci-fi thrown over it. In a weird sort of way, if you want to get an idea of what the SW saga would be like with the sci-fi trappings stripped off and medieval Sword and Sorcery fantasy ones put on, just rent or borrow a copy of "Willow" some time.
-Mike
I'm not sure what would qualify as sci-fi anymore besides the old classics, WH40K is basically Tolkien in space, SW certainly has fantasy elements, and Trek has its far share of magicky stuff as well. Personally I'm not to picky, heck WH40K has demons in it. As long as the story is interesting I'll give it a go. It just seems lately that the more popular sci-fi (regardless of how we personally class it) is suffering from burnout.

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