Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:12 am
Well, they can't, because, y'see, according to them, you're just another Darkstar cockgoblin (as if that means anything :)... ).
But that's just it, don't you see?Kazeite wrote:Personally I get a little board with arguments that retread the same ground over and over again. like the smuggling compartments on the MF, insisting that trek sensors couldn't possibly detect anything from them because they've been designed to defeat sensors. Sure, Imperial sensors. And as many keep pointing out, trek sensors are better than wars. Better resolution, greater range.
I have been aware for quite some time now that they hold this particular view, they are compleatly unwilling to admit that trek may have a techological edge in even the smallest thing, everything in wars is superior. Hence a despotic facist government or an ineffectual republic is better than the communistic but working federation, which is why their sensors are faster than light and can detect things from a hundred light years as compared to the sub-space only trek sensors that can be blocked with a hand magnet and only reach a dozen light years. Thats why phasers that can vaporize meters of rock in a second are clearly inferior to blasters that can gouge a whole inch out of ferocrete (or whatever its called) because phasers can only do damage to non-shielded matterial and blasters only appear weak when fired against the ultra dense material all star wars archetecture is made out of.Praeothmin wrote:But that's just it, don't you see?Kazeite wrote:Personally I get a little board with arguments that retread the same ground over and over again. like the smuggling compartments on the MF, insisting that trek sensors couldn't possibly detect anything from them because they've been designed to defeat sensors. Sure, Imperial sensors. And as many keep pointing out, trek sensors are better than wars. Better resolution, greater range.
They absolutely, positivevely, refuse to believe anything in ST is better then its SW counterpart.
Phasers are weaker then Blasters (they ignore pure DET effects shown by Phasers with greater firepower then Blasters).
Bacta is superior to Dermal Regenerators (no matter the fact that in ST, Luke would've been up and about in only 1 or 2 hours after his Hoth ordeal).
Transporters are the work of the Devil, inhuman contraptions that suck out your soul and only create a phacsimile of yourself (but the Death Star, a planet destoying weapon, is a marvel of technology)... :)
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Well, for the record, I'm particularly disappointed that the SDN crowd seems to be paying absolutely no attention to the whole EU/smaller superlasers issue I've raised, either at ST.com (they've simply complained that I must not know what I'm talking about rather than addressing the problem of sources giving the Eclipse superlaser "two thirds" the power of a Death Star beam) or at SDN - or appreciating the length I've gone to type out long listings of episodes, or count the numbers of episodes in which something happens.Praeothmin wrote:I hat to say this to you JMS, but you disappointed some of them.
They were expecting you to be better, but it seems you're just like any other trekkie, rehashing old, beat-out arguments to prove your points.
And do you honestly believe a Tricorder could penetrate the inch-thick neutronium-laced panel (it must be, heck everything seems to be in SDN's version of SW) of a compartmentthat was specifically made for smuggling?
Come on JMS, I thought you were brighter then this... :)
I've cited more episodes than were probably mentioned in the previous ten pages of posts in that thread. They should appreciate that if nothing else.
Well, they can't, because, y'see, according to them, you're just another Darkstar cockgoblin (as if that means anything :)... ).
That's one of the new rallying points for dealing with anyone who starts off disagreeing with them over the ST versus Wars debate. We must be all disciples of Darkstar, and most or all of the scientists and engineers involved in the debate agree that the Galactic Empire beats the Federation with no effort! Anyone who disagrees is an uneducated disciple of Darkstar! Never mind the fact that most of the people they credit; Wayne Poe, Brian Young, Commander Thelea, ect have no degrees in the science or engineering fields themselves!Mr. Oragahn wrote:That's one of the most stupid insults ever formulated.
Ah yes, the old favorite: The old "every flowerpot in da Star Woorz Uooniverzzz is made of noo-trounium" reponse. You have to love that one for just how utterly silly it is, never mind that neutronium in the SW EU is clearly not the real-life highly dense neutronium that neutron/pulsar stars are made of! ;-)watchdog wrote:
blasters only appear weak when fired against the ultra dense material all star wars archetecture is made out of.
I take it that I might want to post a technical analysis of Star Wars: Saga Edition soon? The RPG book is quite informative, particularly the parts dealing with "neutronium" armor and the portable fusion generator.Mike DiCenso wrote:Ah yes, the old favorite: The old "every flowerpot in da Star Woorz Uooniverzzz is made of noo-trounium" reponse. You have to love that one for just how utterly silly it is, never mind that neutronium in the SW EU is clearly not the real-life highly dense neutronium that neutron/pulsar stars are made of! ;-)
-Mike
I was under the impression that this cell:Endor wrote:Never mind the fact that it is blatantly contradicted by the movie - Qui-Gon gives Anakin a power cell that he stole from Watto to power the podracer.
Was basically serving the same purpose of a battery in a modern gasoline engine - giving a starting spark. Is there anything that tells us otherwise? Endor seems to be suggesting that this provided all the power.QUI-GON approaches the GROUP and gives ANAKIN a small battery.
JAR JAR gets his hand caught in the afterburner and tries to
tell Anakin, but can't get words out that make sense.
QUI-GON
I think it's time we found out. Use
this power charge.
ANAKIN
Yes, sir!!
ANAKIN jumps into the little capsule behind the two giant
engines. He puts the power pack back into the dashboard.
EVERYONE backs away, except for JAR JAR who calls for help.
Finally PADME frees him and the engines ignite with a ROAR.
EVERYONE cheers.
Even moreso when they then turn around and say that Phasers are weak because they cannot even penetrate packing crates.Mike DiCenso wrote:Ah yes, the old favorite: The old "every flowerpot in da Star Woorz Uooniverzzz is made of noo-trounium" reponse. You have to love that one for just how utterly silly it is, never mind that neutronium in the SW EU is clearly not the real-life highly dense neutronium that neutron/pulsar stars are made of! ;-)
Praeothmin wrote:Even moreso when they then turn around and say that Phasers are weak because they cannot even penetrate packing crates.Mike DiCenso wrote:Ah yes, the old favorite: The old "every flowerpot in da Star Woorz Uooniverzzz is made of noo-trounium" reponse. You have to love that one for just how utterly silly it is, never mind that neutronium in the SW EU is clearly not the real-life highly dense neutronium that neutron/pulsar stars are made of! ;-)
Of course, if such an incident happened in SW, they would automatically use this example to show how resistant SW packing crates are, but there's no way it could be the same for ST... :)