Admiral Breetai wrote:Yes, by all means site to me a backwater, French administrated colony, that they incompetently strip mined and left in a heap of its own self as evidence of anything other than the French fail at everything they do.
This is consideraly incorrect. What did you read about Haiti? I'd suggest you look further and renew your search of information.
This "backwater" place was actually so well administrated and exploited that it was called the French Empire's Crown Jewel, with an economical output that rivaled several US States combined at that time. Its downfall was caused by a dearth of French troops so the local authorities armed and trained black people, notably to resist British troops.
That is almost a textbook reproduction of what happened in Ancient Egypt when the leading castes of European stock recruited and armed Nubians to resist invaders coming from the East. Simple, unavoidable racial tensions did the rest.
The order was maintained at San Domingo because the leaders, those who had power, were French. They were twice more numerous than the mixed people but largely outnumbered by the Black slaves by perhaps a whole order of magnitude. In other words, the productivity and excellency were maintained only because of the iron rule of Europeans over non-Europeans. There was no equality, democracy or unity, and the mixing was limited to Afro-European people who were less numerous than the Europeans present on the island.
As soon as the Blacks had access to weapons, the case was closed. As the island's social stability plummeted, Blacks turned against the mixed ones and the Europeans. The mixed ones fought both Blacks and Europeans. Europeans were, too, against the two other groups. There wasn't any kind of coloured banding against Europeans like it's peddled in the US right now; it's just as fake.
What happened was terrible, the island was ravaged as towns burned and people were tortured and massacred. If I remember correctly, France intervened no less than thrice on this island over the last centuries, in order to bring back order and civilization, by rebuilding what was destroyed and dealing with the gangs. Everytime, French forces moved on and gave the keys back to local Black and mixed governmental powers, everytime the tensions resumed and chaos ensued, with the last bloody episode being that of the Macoutes. Oh, it's a very mixed place now.
Your notion of unity is just an abstraction, a vain smoke screen: there's only stability when a single and largely coherent group holds power over the others. That is, a group that is known to be capable of order and production to some degree, with access to weapons. A dominant yet uncivilized group will never be able to maintain civilization within its dominion: it will always be a chaotic mess.
Dang, one can already see what's happening in Africa. Genetically, some tribes are about 100% equal, but because of differences of culture and completely arbitrary borders traced by colonists, many areas remain forever unstable and this is well exploited by capitalists for business opportunities when one competing tribe is ready to work and sell its ground resources at a lower price if it gets access to power: it gets armed and war ensues.
Meanwhile, the greatest empires and civilizations in human history were diverse but united by one culture...
Yet all these empires fell spectacularly. They ballooned and popped. It's interesting for example to look at the kind of laws —racial laws— that were actually passed in Greece and Rome in order to preserve the bloodlines of the citizens against the increase of mixbreeds. About the same stuff that was put into place in India with the caste system (they actually created it very early). One could look at the US or South Africa too when it comes to such laws and racial limits or ratios. All of these segregations failed. Now, do you know anything
about the current sorry state of South Africa or Zimbabwe? Fall from Grace are the words you'd be looking for.
As for the British Empire, if it had been exposed to mixing on its own inner territories (Britain), it would have obviously fell even faster and louder. It also fell because of an obvious transfer or power and wealth to the West, same thing that happened to Spain and Portugal before.
which is a little bit more important than race.
Perhaps, but how long can it last? A culture that might be able to provide a vacuous image to hold on to for every single citizen of an empire has less strength than a culture that is the natural outgrowth of a people united by blood. What kind of retarded culture would need to be put in place of what exists today in China for, say, fifty million Indians and Chileans to be considered Chinese?
I personally would find it very fake to see a Pole pretending being a Chinese too. Actually, that's pretty much what people understand instinctively when they denounce the white washing that goes on in Hollywood.
Of course, biased as they are, they only denounce it when it's a cultural appropriation by Hollywood's European actors, but not the opposite. Yet, having a Pakistani dressing up as an Irish man and doing the riverdance is equally bizarre and offputting.
If we look at the US culture, we see that it's largely imperialistic and yet has remained considerably Eurocentric for as long as this country existed. Now there are all sorts of leftist accusations thrown at the Caucasians such as "white privileges" that I don't even understand, something just as stupid if they were saying that the Japanese have Japanese privileges in Japan, or Chinese had Chinese privileges in China, regardless of the wrong doings of some of their ancestors.
You can have your ethnic diversity, but other peoples need to leave their ways and customs at home and assimilate.
or they can piss off.
you know, what I was actually arguing, not the windmill constructed of horseshit you were tilting at there.
This is only temporary. In the best case scenario, two distinctively ethnics may be balanced out because found in equal numbers and power, and that is just highlighting how precarious the situation of this nation would be.
As for your former argument that some nations and empire were at their peak when mixed, it's a silly one. You're focusing on quantity alone. Well guess what, China is at its peak and it's hardly mixed. Same goes for Japan.
If China and its one point something billion people were to provide support for some military expansion against a very small country, they would obliterate that small country too. Why? Because numbers
Mixedness or not has obviously nothing to do with it or the celebrated "peak". You can have all the numbers you want, mixed or not. You just need to breed
and outgrow the opposition.
It's also an asinine argument because it's quite congruent that an empire that expands is going to encompass more than its original territory and therefore cover other ethnics too. That is just a result
, not a measure of the quality of the whole.
As for the United States, I don't even understand how you can be so misled about the history of this contry: it's the people of European descent who made this country what it is today. The input of non-Europeans is so marginal that it's virtually irrelevant. At the very most, very few non-Europeans excel within the country because they have access to knowledge ammassed by Europeans and distilled through their high grade academies and schools (Chinese also get trained in Japan too).
One must be blind today not to see the complete shredding this country is going through because of ethnical division. The Trump vote just made that all the clearer.
It's just a matter of logic too. A coherent group is obviously stronger and more united than one that is composed of different parts opposed by racial instincts.
edit- never mind that it was ultimately liberal, progressivism which further degrades Haiti, which is entirely different than what I'm talking about.
Haiti didn't need this progressivism to be fucked up already, as history shows.