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And so, it has come to pass that SDN has become the first "Versus" site to earn itself...






an Encyclopedia Dramatica page. (NSFW, though that's par the course for ED.)


Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:19 am
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Based on the attacks leveled (featuring racism, anti-semitism, and most any other -ism you'd care to mention), that looks like a badge of honor rather than a damnation.

Indeed, the author clearly doesn't know the site, given that ED lists insulting George Lucas as a way to troll SDN. Seriously, isn't that the freaking password to get in their little club?


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Well, for one thing, ED is a satire site. They make fun of EVERYONE, period - it's less racism there, and more all-around comedic misanthropy. And besides, Wong is pretty Anti-Semitic himself, having called the Bible a "guidebook to the establishment of the Jewish Reich" (This was in a now-deleted Facebook conversation that he and I were both in, before Tyralak axed it after Wong called his wife a "supercilious bitch". Really should've taken screenshots in hindsight.).

Besides, this was more laughing at the fact that of the Versus Sites to get an ED page, SDN was the first, and so far, only.


Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:15 am
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Eh, the day is young.

As for Wongian anti-semitism, it would be unsurprising. Besides his abject hostility to religion generally, hardcore leftists generally harbor a specific anti-semitic view, for some reason, be it the classic national socialist example of widescale murder, the Soviet socialist example of murders, forced relocation, and anti-Israeli machinations, or modern smaller examples such as Obama's unpragmatic anti-Israel maneuverings and support for those who explicitly seek Jewish Holocaust 2.0.

In fairness, most all religions have, at one time or another, had forces within that failed to live up to the better angels of our natures, be it Christian crusades and inquisition, Jewish terrorism of the Irkut era, or Muslim terrorism and barbaric ISIS behavior today. Atheism as represented in the Soviet Union can even be said to get in on the game.

But by far, the larger problem is and has always been the issues of nationalism and statism over individual liberties and freedom, or more generally whatever impedes those latter virtues.


Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:03 pm
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Actually, I just searched out of curiosity. Turns out he is staunchly anti-Israel, equating a Western-style democracy founded in the aftermath of the Holocaust and with constant threat of destruction from anti-democratic racist and religionist neighbors with South African apartheid.

(Seriously, if Zoroastrianism was a bigger religion and featured lots of people spread around, with anti-Z conspiracist nuttery running rampant and a Holocaust of Zoroastrians being a major component of a World War, who can seriously oppose a carving-out of a small Zoroastrian homeland that works to protect the rights of others in its territories, offering them citizenship (despite constant military and terrorist attacks), but which welcomes Zoroastrians home?)

So yeah, I totally buy that he referred to a "Jewish reich" and googling would probably show him using the term elsewhere, but even if not it is a mere summation of his existing rants.

Circling back around, then, it is an oddity that ED would attack SDN with anti-semitic comments, given that they would seemingly be allies in their anti-semitism.


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Actually, I just searched out of curiosity. Turns out he is staunchly anti-Israel, equating a Western-style democracy founded in the aftermath of the Holocaust and with constant threat of destruction from anti-democratic racist and religionist neighbors with South African apartheid.


On this very specific point I'd have to agree with him regarding his comparison. Regardless of why Jews were pushing for a state of their own, there was no surprise that the day alien colonies would be forced onto the people who already lived there, chaos would ensue, and that expansion of one people could only be practiced at the expense of the other. I'd go further in saying that it's hardly different than the Lebensraum against Slavs.
Going for the arabic peninsula wasn't exactly a necessity nor an obligation. The successive Israeli governments have certainly not aimed for a cohesive mixed nation but one where violent segregation can be both claimed openly and even practiced by the national defense force without much checks.
The comparison is even more correct when we project this region into the future: would Israel fall apart for some reason or another, Jews would likely find themselves in a situation pretty much similar to what is daily experienced by European descendants in South Africa. Some could and would flee, others (most of them probably short of any spectacular planning as observed for the refugees crisis) would stay there and have to deal with the resulting geopolitical trouble.
There's nothing bigoted in that kind of observation, it's just dealing with the facts. Several Jews of varying political flavours have also criticized or denounced current zionism and its failings.


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Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Regardless of why Jews were pushing for a state of their own,


Oh, well, sure. If you strip historical context altogether you can make any old claim. That's how you get things like the US being evil for dropping atomic bombs

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there was no surprise that the day alien colonies would be forced onto the people who already lived there, chaos would ensue, and that expansion of one people could only be practiced at the expense of the other.


Jews already lived there in majority numbers in many locations, and many who didn't but lived nearby were expelled from their homes. Where were they supposed to go?

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Going for the arabic peninsula wasn't exactly a necessity nor an obligation.


Are you talking about the Sinai or suggesting Israel shouldn't have been formed where the most Jews were?

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The successive Israeli governments have certainly not aimed for a cohesive mixed nation


I would say they certainly have, *in context*. It isn't perfect, but considering the history they're doing a better job than most would.

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The comparison is even more correct when we project this region into the future: would Israel fall apart for some reason or another, Jews would likely find themselves in a situation pretty much similar to what is daily experienced by European descendants in South Africa. Some could and would flee, others (most of them probably short of any spectacular planning as observed for the refugees crisis) would stay there and have to deal with the resulting geopolitical trouble.


How is that different than anywhere else?

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There's nothing bigoted in that kind of observation, it's just dealing with the facts.


You expressly abandoned the facts at the start of your post.

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Several Jews of varying political flavours have also criticized or denounced current zionism and its failings.


You can find people willing to say anything. Were these people killed by Israel, as one might expect in a similar circumstance among their neighboring countries?


Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:37 am
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Frankly, going by the few settlements that existed before the massive migration that completely offset the demographics into jewish favours, by Ben Gurion's admission of the wholesale destruction, thieft and looting, by the Nakba, by anything the Red Cross condemned for decades, by the overall politic of a country that's been under right or far-right regime for a long time and by the fact that this country is seeing its orthodox religious culture growing stronger by the year, it's going to take a lot of acrobatics to have someone objectively admit that the whole zionist project in that region is something tame and nice, contrary to what it really is.
There's just that nagging discrepancy between what Occidentals are required to gulp on a daily basis in terms of self-loathing ideologies pushed through both education and media and what is allowed to occur in Israel. Others would call that hypocrisy. For one, why Israel isn't required to welcome tons and tons of refugees? Perhaps because Israel is the country that is partially responsible for actually generating such waves of refugees?


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Other than the suggestion that demographics were altered (which I presume was intended to run contrary to my 'majority' point relating to the situation prior to Israel's founding), there's nothing there worth responding to, and even that is patently false.

The sad thing is that we could agree on certain things that upset the modern pro-Israel narrative of the past . . . Irkut is an oft-forgotten thing . . . but the Holocaust happened, too. I refer back to the Zoroastrianism example as where historical perspective should rest.

Put simply, anyone who starts spewing about Zionism and zionist treachery is probably an Alex Jones acolyte or similar, in my opinion, unless there is good reason to think otherwise. You're not providing it. And in any case, isn't radical Islam, acting as a modern and vastly superior variation of Irkut in breadth and depth, just a teeny bit more important right now anyway? I just don't get the obsession with Jews. Y'all might as well be still pissed about the Huguenots or Hapsburgs or whatever. Perhaps you'd now like to discuss how all the problems of the world stem from continued Northern aggression even after the US Civil War?


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Other than the suggestion that demographics were altered (which I presume was intended to run contrary to my 'majority' point relating to the situation prior to Israel's founding), there's nothing there worth responding to, and even that is patently false.


One cannot cheat the demographics. Non-Jewish populations were actually growing a lil' bit faster than the Jewish one iirc, which was a clear minority a century ago. But more importantly, fast-forwarding to Balfour and the wave of settlements, soon enough demographics blossomed in favour of Jews in huge proportions. Right on the topic of territorial presence and control of assets, the balance massively shifted in favour of them. It doesn't take a genius to guess that this element alone would create an awful lot of problems, even leaving out how these people even managed to settle to begin with. To put it simply, the shift of power and control wasn't achieved by asking nicely those who were there first to relinquish all of that. Very little has changed to this day, to say the least.

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The sad thing is that we could agree on certain things that upset the modern pro-Israel narrative of the past . . . Irkut is an oft-forgotten thing . . . but the Holocaust happened, too. I refer back to the Zoroastrianism example as where historical perspective should rest.


I'm not judging the concept of zionism and its potential solutions. I'm looking at what it has done for real; ergo, the application.
The Holocaust? How does that excuse anything, or even shadows the rather accurate comparison between one apartheid and the other?

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Put simply, anyone who starts spewing about Zionism and zionist treachery is probably an Alex Jones acolyte or similar, in my opinion, unless there is good reason to think otherwise. You're not providing it. And in any case, isn't radical Islam, acting as a modern and vastly superior variation of Irkut in breadth and depth, just a teeny bit more important right now anyway? I just don't get the obsession with Jews. Y'all might as well be still pissed about the Huguenots or Hapsburgs or whatever. Perhaps you'd now like to discuss how all the problems of the world stem from continued Northern aggression even after the US Civil War?


I'll remind you that the the topic essentially is about Israel and a comparison to South Africa's apartheid era, on the basis of how the former treats certain residents and is extremely discriminatory not only on a racial basis but also on a religious one. The rest, I think, is a bunch of red herrings, be they refering to present or past events. Islam and ISIS are interesting topics but I don't see their relevance here.
Also, I think the "obsession" you refer to may be related to a noticeable level of hypocrisy going on. How come the evil white settlers –and by association in fact all Europeans anywhere on this planet since it seems there's always a form of automatic ethnics-based shared guilt applied to these people– get served morals and lectures on the SA apartheid a plenty, but Jews hardly suffer the same kind of constant judgemental pounding? Or is the suffering of some Jews more important than the suffering of Boers and Huguenots? Could it be due to the considerable presence of zionist influential groups in the US and Europe, whilst on the other hand the SA's apartheid is a done and closed thing and aside a few isolated and largely irrelevant far-right groups, nobody would reasonnably stand in favour of said apartheid?


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Could it be due to the considerable presence of zionist influential groups in the US and Europe,


Like Obama, Hillary's pal Blumenthal, many of Trump's allies, et cetera?


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Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Could it be due to the considerable presence of zionist influential groups in the US and Europe,


Like Obama, Hillary's pal Blumenthal, many of Trump's allies, et cetera?


Are these people "zionist influential groups" all by themselves or something?


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