GStone wrote:It isn't needed to be known before the gravitational gridfire starts going off.
Oh, for fuck's sake. I've already told you why it won't work; your device does not instantly occupy every space on a ship at once. It's limited by light-speed. There's a reason
the Culture never uses gridfire in local combat, and that's because it's useless.
Because nothing in the Culture is
limited by light-speed. And I'd like you to prove that the gravitational gridfire can affect a ship in hyperspace.
I have gone point by point. What's nonsensical to you is why I keep not wanting to take your position when I've yet to see reasoning why mine is not good. You keep saying to the effect 'they're faster and can hit from longer ranges; submit!!!'.
They're infinitely faster, can hit from longer ranges, react within less than a microsecond to combat, has weapons that can destroy a planet within a split second, has several thousand years of combat experience and is a lot smarter than the Federation due to how fast and cleverly they think.
You have got no point
Given that it is unknown just how much a range such a weapon would have, that's premature.
Typically as long as a photon torpedo. It's mounted on a typical Federation ship isn't it? And the Federation isn't going to instantly
resort to using these weapons, like I said, and it won't have time. It will
resort to the use of photons and phasers because that's what they always do (prove otherwise, please), and they shall never get in range to do otherwise.
And since you put the Culture ships in the middle of Fed territory, it's very premature of you.
Actually, they begin in hyperspace
and the Federation cannot identify objects that are in hyperspace as it effectively phase-cloaks a ship. Of course, you ignore that every time it's useful for your side; because the Idirans also
had the advantage of hyperspace, and that's how they could match Culture ships at all
Sure, if they run out of energy...oh wait. Data left the perimeter of the subspace field devices and staid temporally phased. It's only when he went through the temporal portal and went to the past that he unphased, which was standard operating procudre for the aliens and the portal. The script says there's a portable box with a handle, but the ep showed the generators on stands on the ground. And even so, the generator would be on the ship anyway. Oh drat.
And wouldn't the weapons themselves remain temporally phased? It's hard to hurt someone with a weapon that doesn't quite occupy the same space-time continuum as they do.
Oh, wait. 'What about fuel' you say. Well, they obviously aren't using massive amount of fuel for replicator usage. THere's lot of molecules and subatomic particle floating around. And subspace field don't need that much power either. Seska used a subspace force field generator that was carried on her body in State of Flux. Worf, Bev and Picard had those field devices that were easily carried in a single hand in Chain of Command. Picard, Troi, Geordie and Data used a make shift subspace force field from emergency transporter armband devices in Timescape.
They cannot replicate deuterium (VOY: Demon), moving on.
Again...for everyone playing the home version..that doesn't mean they lost morally. It doesn't mean they just rolled over and surrendered.
Running away to go somewhere else and avoid the Culture at all costs does technically count as an undeclared surrender. And that's what they shall do.
Given that I'm truly the one that is capable of not screwing things up and ignoring what the opposing side is saying, I'm MO.
You do this a lot; completely dismiss my point as nonsense when you do not correctly answer it. You haven't provided proof that the Federation will have time to do their crackpot scheme, or even know that it will or will not work.
And you continue to demonstrate that you're incapable of participating in this debate without resorting to name calling and other childish remarks. MO.
And you're the one who constantly goes 'Federation can't lose! Waah! Waah! Waah!' and masturbates to the concept of a Federation vessel being able to one-shot a ship from a society that only really considers a white hole as being 'a natural obstacle'.
And when the opposing side can't physically touch you, you don't have to worry about 'firing fast enough to beat the speed of their defenses' because you have the capacity to move past their defenses effortlessly.
Wait, I remember that Temporal Phasing doesn't defend one from gravity-based weapons, does it? I mean, Data, Ro Laren and Geordi were all subject to gravity; and oddly enough had enough traction with the floor of the Enterprise, showing that something like the structural integrity field could affect them. Oh, and they could actually see
So, lineguns, fields, and electromagnetic effectors anyone?
Mine is logic and discrimination of definitions. Crack open a dictionary every so often. MO.
I'm doing a fucking BA in English Literature you arrogant prick. You should not get into a semantics argument with someone who's more qualified than you are. It just isn't done.
You mean the words 'they're super fast; too fast for your side to be firing anything other than blowing their nose and they won't even get that far because they'll never see it coming'?
No, I did say that. You put phasers and photons in my mouth. Although really, it isn't a bad idea in itself, as I've indicated above. And naturally you do have to prove that your side is fast enough to do more than blow their nose because a microsecond is a very, very short amount of time in general.
You said they wouldn't think to use graivty based weapons unless they had sensor readings. And here's one quote:
"They won't be able to fight because they won't see any weaknesses because the Culture operates from distances that are almost out of the typical 'detailed Federation sensor range'."
Yes, now prove me wrong. You haven't done that. In fact, you haven't done a lot of things.
I've gotten more brutal honesty from a smelly shoe. MO.
Even before you understood a decent amount of the capabilities and tactics of the Culture, you were bending over for them. As demonstrated on the last board, I went page after page for detailed searching of specifics for what went on with them, some of which I posted in this thread. MO.
And you still ignore what the Culture is actually capable of, its great intelligence and then you expect it to bend over once your 'gravitic gridfire' gets tossed about. When they didn't bend over for a foe that had 'planetary destruction' and 'detonating stars' (they lost six of those, at least) as part of its modus operandi. Instead they won that little war once they got their military in gear.
How utterly silly of you.