How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
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How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
Assuming the technology only works for humans
Star Trek
Babylon 5
Gundam Wing
Star Wars
Some other setting where humans can have psychic powers of your choice.
Assuming the technology only works for humans
Star Trek
Babylon 5
Gundam Wing
Star Wars
Some other setting where humans can have psychic powers of your choice.
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Re: How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
Lucky wrote:How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
Assuming the technology only works for humans
Star Trek
Babylon 5
Gundam Wing
Star Wars
Some other setting where humans can have psychic powers of your choice.
FengShui technology?
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W H A T ?
Are these two words even compatible?
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Re: How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
Lucky wrote:How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
Assuming the technology only works for humans
Star Trek
Babylon 5
Gundam Wing
Star Wars
Some other setting where humans can have psychic powers of your choice.
I forgot that not everyone actually follows the story lines of games like Street Fighter.Mr. Oragahn wrote:
FengShui technology?
. . .
W H A T ?
Are these two words even compatible?
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Feng_Shui_Engine
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Juri_Han
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Lis ... V_H-Z#Juri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbZzyazMvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFKrdedN2Sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-1jGSoszM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzGnPgWpRNk
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http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Tanden_Engine
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Ki
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Well, it's like a power generator that has some vortex and severe spacetime distorsion abilities.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
What's more impressive is that S.I.N. isn't really some super advanced space civilization.
Frankly, that FSE tech propels Shadoloo into the upmost tiers on the civilization meter.
On the flip side, it's not mass produced. It's more like a super weapon.
However, if backed up by a larger industrial might, it would be very impressive.
Although I suspect it would be largely useless within a society that hasn't shown any inclination to master any kind of "magic".
In Star Wars, with something similar such as the Force, it gets interesting. However droids are not capable of using the Force. But imagine a cyborg; imagine Vader, RoboMaul or Maw with FS technology incorporated.
Trouble is, the FSE just seems piss poor in comparison to the TE.
At best it grants physical super abilities. Not bad for an eyeball sized thing but that's like having a talisman or special rune in some other magical universes.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
What's more impressive is that S.I.N. isn't really some super advanced space civilization.
Frankly, that FSE tech propels Shadoloo into the upmost tiers on the civilization meter.
On the flip side, it's not mass produced. It's more like a super weapon.
However, if backed up by a larger industrial might, it would be very impressive.
Although I suspect it would be largely useless within a society that hasn't shown any inclination to master any kind of "magic".
In Star Wars, with something similar such as the Force, it gets interesting. However droids are not capable of using the Force. But imagine a cyborg; imagine Vader, RoboMaul or Maw with FS technology incorporated.
Trouble is, the FSE just seems piss poor in comparison to the TE.
At best it grants physical super abilities. Not bad for an eyeball sized thing but that's like having a talisman or special rune in some other magical universes.
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1) I don't see a reason to believe that is an ability of the Tanden Engine. It seems like a Ki technique the puppets have.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Well, it's like a power generator that has some vortex and severe spacetime distorsion abilities.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
2) I'm not sure the characters that move is used on would survive outside of game play.
I think you are underestimating the kind of technology Street Fighter has laying around. While it may not be in use by the average person, it is thereMr. Oragahn wrote: What's more impressive is that S.I.N. isn't really some super advanced space civilization.
Frankly, that FSE tech propels Shadoloo into the upmost tiers on the civilization meter.
Take a look at Karin's endings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAOHQmmGvA
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Fil ... ending.jpg
The Fengshui Engine was given to Juri Han to test it out just like Crimson Viper's battle SuitMr. Oragahn wrote: On the flip side, it's not mass produced. It's more like a super weapon.
However, if backed up by a larger industrial might, it would be very impressive.
It would be out of place if the setting lacked humans with psychokinetic powers. That is why I put forth the list I did.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Although I suspect it would be largely useless within a society that hasn't shown any inclination to master any kind of "magic".
I was thinking just the average Star Wars warrior like Han Solo getting a new eye and being able to kick the asses of powerful Sith Lords would be funMr. Oragahn wrote: In Star Wars, with something similar such as the Force, it gets interesting. However droids are not capable of using the Force. But imagine a cyborg; imagine Vader, RoboMaul or Maw with FS technology incorporated.
Earth Force in Babylon 5. Just picture the Vorlons or Shadows having to deal with humans who they can't screw with, and can kick their asses in a fist fight.
1) To have a Tanden Engine you basically need to be an engineered life form, but a Fengshui Engine can easily be implanted into a normal human with only minor modifications.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Trouble is, the FSE just seems piss poor in comparison to the TE.
At best it grants physical super abilities. Not bad for an eyeball sized thing but that's like having a talisman or special rune in some other magical universes.
2) A Fengshui Engine simply gives you superhuman amounts of Ki to work with. The physical stats being boosted is just the beginning. You can learn virtually any superpower. A Fengshui Engine offers a very open ended power-up.
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Occam's razor says it's the engine that allows those powers to manifest that way, even if it were to tap qi (which it most likely does considering the yin-yang aspect of it and the +/- energy harnessing). Outside of it, no ki technique has ever produced anything remotely close to that.Lucky wrote:1) I don't see a reason to believe that is an ability of the Tanden Engine. It seems like a Ki technique the puppets have.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Well, it's like a power generator that has some vortex and severe spacetime distorsion abilities.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
The added fact that all is sucked or emanates from the TE as far as Seth's power go slams the nail.
Hard to say. Let's jsut pretend that characters have a ki barrier of some sort.2) I'm not sure the characters that move is used on would survive outside of game play.
Well, I don't pay attention to obscure merchandising material. Not to say that SFIII has largely ditched the super tech edge to go for a more cartoonish yet occult-organic style.I think you are underestimating the kind of technology Street Fighter has laying around. While it may not be in use by the average person, it is thereMr. Oragahn wrote: What's more impressive is that S.I.N. isn't really some super advanced space civilization.
Frankly, that FSE tech propels Shadoloo into the upmost tiers on the civilization meter.
Take a look at Karin's endings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAOHQmmGvA
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Fil ... ending.jpg
SF never stroke me as being that flung away into space opera you know. Now that space ship and a planet that explodes is just plain retarded to me.
If the Tanden Engine taps qi, the question still remains if you need a modicum of ability to control qi to some degree to be able to activate the TE, and therefore the FSE as well.I was thinking just the average Star Wars warrior like Han Solo getting a new eye and being able to kick the asses of powerful Sith Lords would be funMr. Oragahn wrote: In Star Wars, with something similar such as the Force, it gets interesting. However droids are not capable of using the Force. But imagine a cyborg; imagine Vader, RoboMaul or Maw with FS technology incorporated.
Otherwise, if not, then they're devices which tap qi while normal individuals had to develop special abilities to do so.
Transposed to Star Wars, it would be like machines, such as droids, suddenly being able to use the Force as well. That or any human turned cyborg (even if the implant is quite minimal as far as the FSE is concerned).
Imagine Guri or Grievous with the FSE, they'd be even more dangerous, although the FSE isn't much of a game changer. After all, Juri isn't totally invincible either, and she clearly already is able to master qi since like all characters of SF, she can do super jumps and land powerful blows without engaging the FSE.
Huh, any army with a mass produced FSE. The point, though, is that the FSE is not mass produced and never seen again.Earth Force in Babylon 5. Just picture the Vorlons or Shadows having to deal with humans who they can't screw with, and can kick their asses in a fist fight.
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The Shinku Hadoken seems to suck suck things in before it is fully charged and fired, and the other versions of the Hadoken seem to do the same.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Occam's razor says it's the engine that allows those powers to manifest that way, even if it were to tap qi (which it most likely does considering the yin-yang aspect of it and the +/- energy harnessing). Outside of it, no ki technique has ever produced anything remotely close to that.
The added fact that all is sucked or emanates from the TE as far as Seth's power go slams the nail.
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Shinku_Hadoken.
That is the canon reason most characters are superhuman in general.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Hard to say. Let's jsut pretend that characters have a ki barrier of some sort.
1) Street Fighter Alpha 3 is part of the canon Street Fighter time line. Karin is to Ken what Sakura is to Ryu in many ways.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Well, I don't pay attention to obscure merchandising material. Not to say that SFIII has largely ditched the super tech edge to go for a more cartoonish yet occult-organic style.
SF never stroke me as being that flung away into space opera you know. Now that space ship and a planet that explodes is just plain retarded to me.
2) How canon Capcom_Fighting_Evolution is debatable given it crosses Street Fighter and Darkstalkers.
3) Street Fighter 4 takes place before Street Fighter 3 as odd as that sounds. They are the same universe, and in both cases the villians make heavy use of biological augmentation.
4) Crimson Viper's battle Suit is an example of super-tech. Her electrical attacks and fire attacks are all tech based.
5) Karin was blowing up an asteroid headed for Earth.
1) As I understand it all living things and possibly non-livung things in some belief systems have Qi, and living things naturally use Qi on an instinctual level. A bit of meditation training, and the clones should quickly pick things up.Mr. Oragahn wrote: If the Tanden Engine taps qi, the question still remains if you need a modicum of ability to control qi to some degree to be able to activate the TE, and therefore the FSE as well.
Otherwise, if not, then they're devices which tap qi while normal individuals had to develop special abilities to do so.
Transposed to Star Wars, it would be like machines, such as droids, suddenly being able to use the Force as well. That or any human turned cyborg (even if the implant is quite minimal as far as the FSE is concerned).
Imagine Guri or Grievous with the FSE, they'd be even more dangerous, although the FSE isn't much of a game changer. After all, Juri isn't totally invincible either, and she clearly already is able to master qi since like all characters of SF, she can do super jumps and land powerful blows without engaging the FSE.
2) Oddly Guri might have an easier time using a Fengshui Engine do to possibly being more biological.
When should we have seen a FSE? Juri's FSE is the last step before a finished product, but between the events of Street Fighter 4 and Street Fighter 3 the Shadowloo and S.I.N. falls leaving groups like various militaries, and spy agencies like the C.I.A. to sort through what is left.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Huh, any army with a mass produced FSE. The point, though, is that the FSE is not mass produced and never seen again.
Crimson Viper is a C.I.A. agent, and she is the one most likely to get the most information on Shadowloo technologies even though Cammy deleted a lot of data from the computers.
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Since the beginning, all those most extreme ki techniques have been nothing more than concentrators of energy, with the most extreme form seemingly creating a large vacuum. Hence the name of the technique.Lucky wrote:The Shinku Hadoken seems to suck suck things in before it is fully charged and fired, and the other versions of the Hadoken seem to do the same.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Occam's razor says it's the engine that allows those powers to manifest that way, even if it were to tap qi (which it most likely does considering the yin-yang aspect of it and the +/- energy harnessing). Outside of it, no ki technique has ever produced anything remotely close to that.
The added fact that all is sucked or emanates from the TE as far as Seth's power go slams the nail.
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Shinku_Hadoken.
Other than that, nothing there remotely seem to approach the completely extreme spacetime distorsion effect of the Tanden Engine's use.
At best, teleporation (such as Dhalsim's) might be based on a very distant application of some common principle.
Fact remains that we haven't seen anything like that without the use of the TE engine. It's straight forward, unarguable.
It's an ability clearly allowed by the TE.
1. Yes but even the SFA series hardly pushed the SF side that far if you limited yourself to games. And frankly, I much prefer SF with the esoteric mix of magic and tech constrained to Earth, than plots involving lame rocket ships which can blow up huge space bodies in a way equally embarrassing as the awesome powers of the Ewoks and their four seasonal gods.1) Street Fighter Alpha 3 is part of the canon Street Fighter time line. Karin is to Ken what Sakura is to Ryu in many ways.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Well, I don't pay attention to obscure merchandising material. Not to say that SFIII has largely ditched the super tech edge to go for a more cartoonish yet occult-organic style.
SF never stroke me as being that flung away into space opera you know. Now that space ship and a planet that explodes is just plain retarded to me.
2) How canon Capcom_Fighting_Evolution is debatable given it crosses Street Fighter and Darkstalkers.
3) Street Fighter 4 takes place before Street Fighter 3 as odd as that sounds. They are the same universe, and in both cases the villians make heavy use of biological augmentation.
4) Crimson Viper's battle Suit is an example of super-tech. Her electrical attacks and fire attacks are all tech based.
5) Karin was blowing up an asteroid headed for Earth.
2. Indeed.
3. I know, and it makes total sense. It was first and foremost a commercial decision to make the next SF game closer to the SF2 legacy, which most people knew. It also was a way to reboot the difficulty curve out of the extremes that SF3.3 had reached. Game wise, 3.3 and 2X probably are the crown jewels of the series, but they're obscure and hard as hell for any beginner. Still... red pary. Damn. :D
4. Yes, but it's gone after that. Which was my point. Minor mentions of brain implants and like Q's odd look are about it. In a sense, it's perhaps just one notch above the level of science fiction seen in SF2. SF4 is the only arc that features characters who owe so much to technology.
5. Oi! It was a Ceres-like asteroid, at least. Remember?. And fuck, the meal at the moon base. It's not that it is technically infeasible, especially with the crazy stuff of Street Fighter 4, but it's such a big departure from something that would be more cyberpunk without aiming for space adventure.
Well, it does not matter anyway.
Precisely the point. It's missing. Best considered lost tech.When should we have seen a FSE? Juri's FSE is the last step before a finished product, but between the events of Street Fighter 4 and Street Fighter 3 the Shadowloo and S.I.N. falls leaving groups like various militaries, and spy agencies like the C.I.A. to sort through what is left.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Huh, any army with a mass produced FSE. The point, though, is that the FSE is not mass produced and never seen again.
Yesssssss. I liked the OAV wherein she e-tortured Cammy and pushed Ryu to turn evil. >:]Crimson Viper is a C.I.A. agent, and she is the one most likely to get the most information on Shadowloo technologies even though Cammy deleted a lot of data from the computers.
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This sounds like you are moving the goal posts. First you asked for an example where Ki is used to suck stuff in, and the Hadoken and its variants fit the bill, but now you want someone else using the same technique as Seth it seems.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Since the beginning, all those most extreme ki techniques have been nothing more than concentrators of energy, with the most extreme form seemingly creating a large vacuum. Hence the name of the technique.
Other than that, nothing there remotely seem to approach the completely extreme spacetime distorsion effect of the Tanden Engine's use.
At best, teleporation (such as Dhalsim's) might be based on a very distant application of some common principle.
Fact remains that we haven't seen anything like that without the use of the TE engine. It's straight forward, unarguable.
It's an ability clearly allowed by the TE.
But it isn't hard to picture Street Fighter characters sharing a universe with Darkstalkers characters. Rose, Gill, Akuma, Gouki, and M.Bison would fit in perfectly as Darkstalkers characters.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 2. Indeed.
You lost me. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Game wise, 3.3 and 2X probably are the crown jewels of the series, but they're obscure and hard as hell for any beginner. Still... red pary. Damn. :D
A fighting game that revolves around a martial arts tournament really isn't going to highlight the setting's technological gems normally.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 4. Yes, but it's gone after that. Which was my point. Minor mentions of brain implants and like Q's odd look are about it. In a sense, it's perhaps just one notch above the level of science fiction seen in SF2. SF4 is the only arc that features characters who owe so much to technology.
The Psycho Drive, Tanden Engine, and Fengshui Engine all seem to be the same Ki generator technology. The Psycho Drive would be the most primitive while the Fengshui Engine would be the latest design, but still in testing. They have psychic/Ki using superhumans as part of their standard military and police forces so odds are "Ki" is well studied.
Karin's particle beam satellite, Crimson Viper's battle suit, Necro, and 12 would imply there is a lot of high end technology we don't see do to it not being plot relevant normally. Energy storage, energy generation, and nanotechnology
The Fengshui Engine and Crimson Viper's battle suit would imply a high capability to shrink systems in size.
If you take Karin's ending in Campon Fighting Evolution then Street Fighter Earth may have artificial gravity.
Mr. Oragahn wrote: 1. Yes but even the SFA series hardly pushed the SF side that far if you limited yourself to games. And frankly, I much prefer SF with the esoteric mix of magic and tech constrained to Earth, than plots involving lame rocket ships which can blow up huge space bodies in a way equally embarrassing as the awesome powers of the Ewoks and their four seasonal gods.
I can't see how you can get a scaling of the asteroid from Karin's ending. We don't see the asteroid until it is blowup, and we don't see how Karin did it.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 5. Oi! It was a Ceres-like asteroid, at least. Remember?. And fuck, the meal at the moon base. It's not that it is technically infeasible, especially with the crazy stuff of Street Fighter 4, but it's such a big departure from something that would be more cyberpunk without aiming for space adventure.
Well, it does not matter anyway.
Karin's shuttle and Moon base seem to have artificial gravity if you look closely
Nazi Germany had jet fighters, but it took years after capturing Nazi technology at the end of WWII for the U.S.A. to get jet fighters into production.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Precisely the point. It's missing. Best considered lost tech.
They need time to reverse engineer the "Ki" generators, and then test them. The testing will be the hard part as you need healthy human test subjects, and unlike S.I.N. most organizations don't want uncontrollable mass murders running around.
Crimson Viper was a deep cover C.I.A. agent and single mother. She has good reason to want her mission to be successful.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Yesssssss. I liked the OAV wherein she e-tortured Cammy and pushed Ryu to turn evil. >:]
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Seems more like you need to read my first post again. ;)Lucky wrote:This sounds like you are moving the goal posts. First you asked for an example where Ki is used to suck stuff in, and the Hadoken and its variants fit the bill, but now you want someone else using the same technique as Seth it seems.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Since the beginning, all those most extreme ki techniques have been nothing more than concentrators of energy, with the most extreme form seemingly creating a large vacuum. Hence the name of the technique.
Other than that, nothing there remotely seem to approach the completely extreme spacetime distorsion effect of the Tanden Engine's use.
At best, teleporation (such as Dhalsim's) might be based on a very distant application of some common principle.
Fact remains that we haven't seen anything like that without the use of the TE engine. It's straight forward, unarguable.
It's an ability clearly allowed by the TE.
First lines:
Well, it's like a power generator that has some vortex and severe spacetime distorsion abilities.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
Huh, it's more like it doesn't even have to feature any such technotoys.A fighting game that revolves around a martial arts tournament really isn't going to highlight the setting's technological gems normally.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 4. Yes, but it's gone after that. Which was my point. Minor mentions of brain implants and like Q's odd look are about it. In a sense, it's perhaps just one notch above the level of science fiction seen in SF2. SF4 is the only arc that features characters who owe so much to technology.
Funny thing that Bison's (US) attacks in SF2 were nothing more than supernatural. Unless you'd find some very obscure fluff element alluding to the contrary, from the entire SF2 series, nothing pointed to Shadoloo's master using any form of tech. It was really that crappy movie that attempted to spin his abilities into technological enhancements.The Psycho Drive, Tanden Engine, and Fengshui Engine all seem to be the same Ki generator technology. The Psycho Drive would be the most primitive while the Fengshui Engine would be the latest design, but still in testing. They have psychic/Ki using superhumans as part of their standard military and police forces so odds are "Ki" is well studied.
Outside of rather obscure Karin (compared to the usual roster), let's just point out that you're citing SF4 material here. Which is precisely my point.Karin's particle beam satellite, Crimson Viper's battle suit, Necro, and 12 would imply there is a lot of high end technology we don't see do to it not being plot relevant normally. Energy storage, energy generation, and nanotechnology
SF4 again, but I agree. Although the FSE has nowhere the capabilities of the TE. As I said, the eye-thing confers to the wearer/user powers similar to some similairly sized magic-enhancing trinkets found in many heroic fantasy games.The Fengshui Engine and Crimson Viper's battle suit would imply a high capability to shrink systems in size.
Gives more strength, speed, etc.
Even when fragmented, the thing still is decidedly spherical in shape! This requires the asteroid to have reached hydrostatic equilibrium, and easily brings it to Ceres' size range.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 1. Yes but even the SFA series hardly pushed the SF side that far if you limited yourself to games. And frankly, I much prefer SF with the esoteric mix of magic and tech constrained to Earth, than plots involving lame rocket ships which can blow up huge space bodies in a way equally embarrassing as the awesome powers of the Ewoks and their four seasonal gods.I can't see how you can get a scaling of the asteroid from Karin's ending. We don't see the asteroid until it is blowup, and we don't see how Karin did it.Mr. Oragahn wrote: 5. Oi! It was a Ceres-like asteroid, at least. Remember?. And fuck, the meal at the moon base. It's not that it is technically infeasible, especially with the crazy stuff of Street Fighter 4, but it's such a big departure from something that would be more cyberpunk without aiming for space adventure.
Well, it does not matter anyway.
At the very, very least, it could be some kind of Vesta-like big asteroid, only seen round because of a convenient angle.
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The Tanden Engine can only suck things in when it uses "dark" energy.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Seems more like you need to read my first post again. ;)
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Well, it's like a power generator that has some vortex and severe spacetime distorsion abilities.
The ability of Seth's tandem engine, in that it can swallow a human, reminds me of Samus Aran's ability to compress into a morph ball with a capacity of jump and lay bombs.
If we are try to put some real world energy source to a Tanden Engine I'm inclined to think it uses vacuum energy or Zero-Point energy, but we are talking about a device that generates what the characters in universe call Ki.
In all honesty, in a world where things like "Ki manipulation", "Psychic powers", and "magic" are commonplace in a modern Earth type setting, I would expect some super tech simply because scientists would study the "magic" like anything else.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Huh, it's more like it doesn't even have to feature any such technotoys.
Supertech is also a common plot element in fighting games. You see it in most major fighting game franchises(Mortal Kombat, King of the Fighters, Dead or Alive, Street Fighter).
Check the Street Fighter Alpha 3 endings. The Psycho Drive doesn't give Bison/Vega his powers, but it gives him more power.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Funny thing that Bison's (US) attacks in SF2 were nothing more than supernatural. Unless you'd find some very obscure fluff element alluding to the contrary, from the entire SF2 series, nothing pointed to Shadoloo's master using any form of tech. It was really that crappy movie that attempted to spin his abilities into technological enhancements.
Necro and 12 are from Street Fighter 3.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Outside of rather obscure Karin (compared to the usual roster), let's just point out that you're citing SF4 material here. Which is precisely my point.
12 is basically a T-1000 that can't change color
Necro is an engineered superhuman.
Not really, a Fengshui Engine does not actually in and of itself grant an increase of a person's physical stats. It grants superhuman levels of "Ki", and gives the ability to.Mr. Oragahn wrote: SF4 again, but I agree. Although the FSE has nowhere the capabilities of the TE. As I said, the eye-thing confers to the wearer/user powers similar to some similairly sized magic-enhancing trinkets found in many heroic fantasy games.
Gives more strength, speed, etc.
It is more like the plot device that boosts and refills the mage or psychic's "magical" energy reserve while granting abilities similar to a scouter from Dragon Ball Z. It's a lot like Sage Mode in Naruto without any of the down sides.
And if it was a potato shape, and Karin had placed a bomb on the opposite side we see then we might get a similar view.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Even when fragmented, the thing still is decidedly spherical in shape! This requires the asteroid to have reached hydrostatic equilibrium, and easily brings it to Ceres' size range.
At the very, very least, it could be some kind of Vesta-like big asteroid, only seen round because of a convenient angle.
I honestly think the asteroid in Akuma's ending is the same one Karin blows up in her ending even though the endings seem to be mutually exclusive as is often the case in fighting games.
I also think scaling a comic book is a bad idea do to the artists just trying to draw something that looks good. There is a reason why people who use scalings old comics to gage Slave-1's firepower are mocked.
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Where is it mentionned that only dark energy is used. And what's the definition of dark energy here, from a canonical standpoint?Lucky wrote: The Tanden Engine can only suck things in when it uses "dark" energy.
Just if you assume that ki can be manipulated through science. It is a typical modern, atheist and very secular approach of this concept.In all honesty, in a world where things like "Ki manipulation", "Psychic powers", and "magic" are commonplace in a modern Earth type setting, I would expect some super tech simply because scientists would study the "magic" like anything else.
They're still not necessary, nor relevant to Street Fighter either.Supertech is also a common plot element in fighting games. You see it in most major fighting game franchises(Mortal Kombat, King of the Fighters, Dead or Alive, Street Fighter).
I vaguely remember the robot thing. What happened exactly?Check the Street Fighter Alpha 3 endings. The Psycho Drive doesn't give Bison/Vega his powers, but it gives him more power.
I occulted those two in my reply because chronologically, SF3 happens after SF4.Necro and 12 are from Street Fighter 3.
They're also some of the weirdest characters.
Well, that's hardly obvious in the games. Fluff wasn't really what mattered to me.12 is basically a T-1000 that can't change color
Necro is an engineered superhuman.
Huge straw splitting here. Call it magic or ki, the point is that in the end it does increase an individual's abilities. That effects might need to be summoned or are automatic is a minute detail.Not really, a Fengshui Engine does not actually in and of itself grant an increase of a person's physical stats. It grants superhuman levels of "Ki", and gives the ability to.Mr. Oragahn wrote: SF4 again, but I agree. Although the FSE has nowhere the capabilities of the TE. As I said, the eye-thing confers to the wearer/user powers similar to some similairly sized magic-enhancing trinkets found in many heroic fantasy games.
Gives more strength, speed, etc.
It requires a huge amount of ifs for this to work. Like, the camera conveniently sits at the only angle at which that distorted asteroid while look very spherical.And if it was a potato shape, and Karin had placed a bomb on the opposite side we see then we might get a similar view.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Even when fragmented, the thing still is decidedly spherical in shape! This requires the asteroid to have reached hydrostatic equilibrium, and easily brings it to Ceres' size range.
At the very, very least, it could be some kind of Vesta-like big asteroid, only seen round because of a convenient angle.
If we could see more of it...
On the flipside there are limits to denial of overall facts; we may not get reliable intricate detail, but when for example a planet is drawn in a given way, it gives a good idea of what it's about. If the artist had a potato in mind, I suspect he'd have drawn a potota blowing up.I also think scaling a comic book is a bad idea do to the artists just trying to draw something that looks good. There is a reason why people who use scalings old comics to gage Slave-1's firepower are mocked.
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Re: How would benefit from FengShui Engine technology?
It isn't mentioned, but is shown. The black energy attracts and white energy repels.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Where is it mentionned that only dark energy is used. And what's the definition of dark energy here, from a canonical standpoint?
Look at Seth's moves. He can only suck people in when using the black energy, and the white energy repels things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgKTPU7_2qU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tczjgY2CHWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arBduthFe3s
Able also seems to use white and black energy, but lacks a Tanden Engine. Look at the eyes.
Black energy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPWh_rjv0jo
White energy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIUgs0CsF7g
Mr. Oragahn wrote: Just if you assume that ki can be manipulated through science. It is a typical modern, atheist and very secular approach of this concept.
Science is a system for studying the world around us, and technology is simply applying what you learn by using science.Mr. Oragahn wrote: They're still not necessary, nor relevant to Street Fighter either.
Look at the old mythes and legends, and you will see things that can easily be interrupted as technologies that humans of the time simply did not understand. Megingjörð was said to be a belt that doubled Thor's strength. Megingjörð would appear to be technological device that enhances Thor's powers, and you find this sort of thing all over the place.
I find it rather asinine and insulting to think that humans can't discover or rediscover how the "magic" of the "gods" worked, and then make use of that knowledge. The dwarf in Norse myth seem to be the scientists, engineers, and tradesmen of their time after all.
All these items of power in myth and legend aren't necessary to the stories, but are still there. So no, I see no difference between a dwarf building the object of power, and a human building the object of power.
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Given "Ki" in Street Fighter like most mystical martial arts settings can turn into things like fire and electricity, it is not beyond reason to think the reverse can be done. Heck, it is a common martial arts technique in to turn light and heat into Ki.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qi
http://www.merriam-webster.com/concise/yin-yang
It varies depending on the character you play as, but most have the Psycho Drive being destroyed and or cities blowing up by it.Mr. Oragahn wrote: I vaguely remember the robot thing. What happened exactly?
Do you watch the ends that appear when the game is won with a given character?Mr. Oragahn wrote: Well, that's hardly obvious in the games. Fluff wasn't really what mattered to me.
12 is very clearly an engineered life form. The way it bends and stretches kind of implies it doesn't have bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8fe6251mc
Necro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUChjooUgfU
The path taken can be as relevant at the destination reached.Mr. Oragahn wrote: Huge straw splitting here. Call it magic or ki, the point is that in the end it does increase an individual's abilities. That effects might need to be summoned or are automatic is a minute detail.
Suppose you have a character that can lift a bank vault and throw it. How the character achieves lifting and throwing the bank vault matters. Does the character use a forklift and catapult? Do they use some sort of energy manipulation powers? Do they control gravity? Do they control magnetism?
That is the problem with trying to analyze a comic panel when you don't have the panels showing the before or after.Mr. Oragahn wrote: It requires a huge amount of ifs for this to work. Like, the camera conveniently sits at the only angle at which that distorted asteroid while look very spherical.
If we could see more of it...
Except that in Karin's ending the artist seems to have had an already blown up asteroid in mind. You can't really get any data from a single frame.Mr. Oragahn wrote: On the flipside there are limits to denial of overall facts; we may not get reliable intricate detail, but when for example a planet is drawn in a given way, it gives a good idea of what it's about. If the artist had a potato in mind, I suspect he'd have drawn a potota blowing up.