WH40k firepower

[Picard]

What is Warhammer 40k firepower outside of fluff?

[User1390]

What is Warhammer 40k firepower outside of fluff?

what do you mean outside of fluff? Wecant use rules for firepower

[Mr. Oragahn]

You cannot obtain figures outside of fluff. Game mechanics are not a proper source.

[Picard]

General Donner mentioned here that there are yields in kiloton range explicitly stated in RPG itself.

[Khas]

Oh, by "fluff" you meant "novels", not "rulebooks."

[Picard]

As far as I know, rulebooks should be considered part of RPG itself, unless they're written by fans. Fluff is, to may knowledge, anything not directly tied in RPG game itself, which would mean rulebooks, being part of RPG, are not fluff.

[Khas]

In Tabletop Games terms, Fluff refers to lore, both from the rulebooks and the "EU". Crunch is the mechanics.

The "EU" of 40K is called "The Black Library", named after Games Workshop's novel publishing division.

[Picard]

Thanks.

So, any answer to my question?

[Mr. Oragahn]

There's a number of interesting facts, for sure. It would however be too long to list them all, so I think it's better if you take a look at some threads I started:

WH40K - 1st/2nd edition misc analysis thread (SDN)
WH40K - 3rd/4th edition rules misc analysis thread (SDN)
WH40K - 40K misc numbers... (SDN)

If one wishes to be annoying, picking the numbers from Imperial Armour and going a lil' obsessive on them will probably drive a couple extremists nuts.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Outside of the fluff? What are we to use then? The RPGs? Their stats are puke worthy; 60 joules for a tank cannon? *rolls eyes*.

If you follow 40k canon policy, their ships make the ICS's look like the statistics of vintage era battleships. Take the nova cannons; skyscraper sized slugs fired at a high fraction of lightspeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyr ... afe=active

[Khas]

Picard just got confused as to what "fluff" meant. And you have no idea as to what 40K canon policy is, do you?

[Mr. Oragahn]

Outside of the fluff? What are we to use then? The RPGs? Their stats are puke worthy; 60 joules for a tank cannon? *rolls eyes*.

If you follow 40k canon policy, their ships make the ICS's look like the statistics of vintage era battleships. Take the nova cannons; skyscraper sized slugs fired at a high fraction of lightspeed.

Fluff is certainly not as one sided as you may think.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Outside of the fluff? What are we to use then? The RPGs? Their stats are puke worthy; 60 joules for a tank cannon? *rolls eyes*.

If you follow 40k canon policy, their ships make the ICS's look like the statistics of vintage era battleships. Take the nova cannons; skyscraper sized slugs fired at a high fraction of lightspeed.

Fluff is certainly not as one sided as you may think.

The higher end feats certainly outweigh a few outliers, such as a fleet of warships taking hours to destroy a city. But for every one of these, there are ten examples [such as my video] of relativistic, skyscraper sized nova rounds, or time stopping and reality warping warp users, or stellar level power generation, etc.

Warhammer 40K crushes the Federation into the ground like dirt, and, one v one, crushes the Empire as well [although with the latter, they would still lose strategically].

[Mr. Oragahn]

Outside of the fluff? What are we to use then? The RPGs? Their stats are puke worthy; 60 joules for a tank cannon? *rolls eyes*.

If you follow 40k canon policy, their ships make the ICS's look like the statistics of vintage era battleships. Take the nova cannons; skyscraper sized slugs fired at a high fraction of lightspeed.

Fluff is certainly not as one sided as you may think.

The higher end feats certainly outweigh a few outliers, such as a fleet of warships taking hours to destroy a city. But for every one of these, there are ten examples [such as my video] of relativistic, skyscraper sized nova rounds, or time stopping and reality warping warp users, or stellar level power generation, etc.

Patently false, and there's enough proof of that posted on this board - yes, it means reading. Ouch.
Now you're attempting the same pro-ICS trolling with WH40K.

Warhammer 40K crushes the Federation into the ground like dirt, and, one v one, crushes the Empire as well [although with the latter, they would still lose strategically].

Silly bait.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Patently false, and there's enough proof of that posted on this board - yes, it means reading. Ouch.
Now you're attempting the same pro-ICS trolling with WH40K.

Take your vendetta somewhere else. Nothing that I stated above warrants your ridiculously prejiduced tone here; and I don't care how many other people posted the proof for you nine months ago, in another thread. Prove up your own claims.

Silly bait.

Silly tendency to act like a douchebag for no reason, due to a completely separate, unrelated, excuse. What the fuck does the ST v SW section and the arguments we've gotten into there have to do with this debate? Are you so engrossed in that one topic, you feel as though any mention of Star Wars or Star Trek is in relation to the two fighting one another? This is just like the Saxton-haters (even though Saxton is a civil, third party fan who has never flamed anyone on either side) who think that Saxton wrote the Technical Commentaries as a closet member of the debate, rather than simply because he likes Star Wars. It's conspiracy mentality. There is no Evil Warsie Conspiracy.

I am not a 40ker; heck, I barely know anything about the franchise. But I've read enough to know that their yields are at least an OOM above Star Wars, and would crush them in any confrontation.* However, the IoM faces several disadvantages against, for example, the Empire:

1. Warp is unreliable and slow compared to hyperdrive
2. Their industry is smaller
3. Their initial fleet is smaller
4. They are outmatched in superweapons
5. They have a smaller empire
6. They have far more enemies and threats to deal with on a daily basis

These in mind, even though the IoM whips the Galactic Empire's ass face to face, strategically, they will be at an enormous speed and logistical disadvantage, and they will always be grossly outnumbered. So they probably lose.


*Which lies the hypocrisy of accusing SDN of being full of obsessive fanboys. SDN admits that the IoM crushes the Empire ship for ship. Here, a large margin of posters think that the Borg Collective can take on a Culture GSV. The amount of delusion in the preceding stance is all one needs to refute any accusations of pro-Wars bias.