Forerunners in Star Trek

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Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by User1657 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:15 pm

Inspired by the thread on Spacebattles.

The Forerunners, after 300 years of war with the Flood decide to jump the entire Maginot Sphere into a different universe.

They arrive the Star Trek galaxy at the start of the Dominion War (in some previously empty sector, if none a thousand light years across are available, their above the galactic plane). They seek to completely overrun the galaxy and take it over.

The Ark and the Halos are left behind, but there is nothing to stop them building more.

Omnipotent being are out, and no time travel. What happens?

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:29 pm

Well, the Federation dies, then the Borg adapt the Forerunners technology, and the Borg go on to conquer all?

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:26 am

This is a tough one to decide since the Forerunners are never shown or described in detail beyond some general back story, and the artifacts they left behind. The Forerunners as we know them canonically are not evil conquerors per say. In fact they are pretty benevolent, trying to protect all sapient life when possible, and so might try peaceful coexistence wherever they can. They might even assist in wiping out the Borg as that is as close to the Flood as you can find in the ST-verse.

Now if this is evil Mirror Universe Forerunners bent of conquest and destruction, then it will be a bitter fight as once all other major powers in the ST Milky Way galaxy discover they are building Halos to wipe out all who oppose them, then look for the biggest alliance ever across the quadrants. Any individual power, with the exception of those like the Borg and Voth, will be wiped out. But a major alliance of modest powers might hold out, provided they can keep the evil Forerunners from successfully completing a Halo array.
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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mith » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:43 am

They actually wrote a Forerunners book. It's hard to say, since it's almost completely at odds with how their abilities are implied in the games...but apparently they could move stars and shit. Typical wanked ancient powers.

In which case, I say the future UFP comes in and kicks their asses back to the stone age for attempting to alter history. =P

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:51 am

Except that the OP specifically forbids time travel, so that's right out.
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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mith » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:00 am

Lame.

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Mith wrote:Lame.
Lame drivel. I told you. That's why I left that out.

The Fourrunners are really given mights and wonders in the book. Still, in the cutscene of Halo Wars, their hollow world has a small artificial star which, when it goes bonkers, generates a minor internal gravity which yet manages to break the ancient sword-shaped warships (...) into bits.
So all that stuff about hard light is not so impressive, no matter how they insist that a Dreadnaught doesn't get its hull dented by enemy fire (like, hey, let's take the limitations of a game engine literally, but only in a positively selective way, that is).

Anyway, did they come starships of some kind inside that Maginot sphere of theirs?

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by User1657 » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:20 pm

Mith wrote:Lame.
Time travel is too much of an advantage, to the point that this wouldn't even be a debate any longer. :P

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:11 pm

The big issue comes down to how fast the Evil Forerunners can build new a Ark and Halos versus how fast the various ST powers ally against them and stop them before they can flip the Big Switch of Doom and presumably kill everyone.
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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:12 pm

Mith wrote:Lame.
It may be lame, but that's his right to do so.
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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:27 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:The big issue comes down to how fast the Evil Forerunners can build new a Ark and Halos versus how fast the various ST powers ally against them and stop them before they can flip the Big Switch of Doom and presumably kill everyone.
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Not very fast. To build Halos they need the Ark, or at least the central industrial system anyway, which is a huge piece to assemble. The planetoid they shield themselves in isn't that huge iirc and it's not built with those systems in.

I'm not seeing what can get the Forerunners detected. They can play nice and build some halos and a fleet with the resources from a system.
If they sit outside the galactic plane, they're certainly not going to be detected anytime soon, but they'll also not have access to resources that easily.
In the first case, they have to be fast though, because some random exploration team could find their world and notice the massive industrial activity. In fact, they'll only have like some decades before the mere light produced by their insane industrial activity reaches some colonized systems or other outposts. Heck, it's possible, if sensors are accurate enough, that the reflection of light against the surface of their sphere might be spotted even before they begin any large scale industry.

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by User1657 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:32 am

What are the current firepower calcs for Star Trek ship weaponry? It would probably help to know, since sure Forerunner weaponry has been calculated to be in at least the teraton range based off of descriptions in Halo: Cryptum (the Forerunner novel).

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:26 pm

AnticitizenOne wrote:What are the current firepower calcs for Star Trek ship weaponry? It would probably help to know, since sure Forerunner weaponry has been calculated to be in at least the teraton range based off of descriptions in Halo: Cryptum (the Forerunner novel).
Depends on who you ask here... ;-)
High triple digit KT to low GT...


By the way, the anime movie, Halo: Legends, does depeict the Forerunners capable of incredible things as well, not just the book...
But they'd still fall to the Borg, IMO...

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by User1657 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:29 pm

Yeah, the Borg could cause serious trouble for the Forerunners. I mean, they didn't exactly demonstrate exemplary skill in dealing with threats like that. :P

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Re: Forerunners in Star Trek

Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:35 pm

AnticitizenOne wrote:What are the current firepower calcs for Star Trek ship weaponry? It would probably help to know, since sure Forerunner weaponry has been calculated to be in at least the teraton range based off of descriptions in Halo: Cryptum (the Forerunner novel).
Who and where did they calculate such a thing for the Forerunners? One thing about this forum that's different than others of the Versus debate variety is that when someone makes a claim, it should be backed up with good evidence.
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