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Warhammer 40000 : Nova Cannon quotations, 100% fluff

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:56 pm

This is a thread dedicated to the gathering of all known quotes to be found in the 40K fluff about the Nova Cannon. View it as a fluff-dedicated FAQ. Anyone who knows anything about Warhammer's Nova Cannons post something here please, be it about range, projectile speed, effects, shell type, reload times, usefulness in typical fleet battles or bombardment, in-universe people's opinions about them or ships sporting such devices, eventual weapon system price, etc.
Let's get that ultimate 40K Nova cannon thread rolling, and with time, get complete enough. As you'll see, I'm trying to arrange the information in a coherent manner, following an intuitive nomenclature, which is easier said than done. :)

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  • Warriors of Ultramar _____(1)
    • Nova Cannon
      • Ship: Victory-class battlecruiser Argus
      • Dimensions: barrel 300 meters long, chamber almost as long as the ship
      • Muzzle Speed: close to 5,000 km/s, blur of light
      • Range: over 125,000 km, target closing directly
      • Operation: one gunner, aiming is semi-optical (help of augmetics); thousands of men dragging recoil compensators and using lifting mechanisms to haul projectiles from armoured magazines located below; 30 minutes reload time; pulling a chain sends the firing command; gravometric impellers build up power and allowing Senior gunner Mabon to leave his station for a better observation point; shell produces a blazing plume in space

      Ammunition
      • Mechanism: seemingly standard with blast, plasma?
      • Dimensions: enormous, less than 50 meters wide
      • Range: likely a few kilometers
      • Yield: more potent than a dozen plasma bombs
  • Shadow Point _____(1, 2)
    • Nova Cannon (1st)
      • Ship: Dominator-class cruiser Fearsome
      • Muzzle Speed: near lightspeed
      • Operation: relayed telemetry, multiple gunners; 1 shot on four hit its target dead center; said to be powerful albeit unpredictable

      Ammunition
      • Mechanism: seemingly standard shell, explosive
      • Range: perhaps a few kilometers?
      • Yield: two shots reduce a few kilometers wide rok to drifting shattered debris; roks are soft porous rock asteroids, containing ammunition and at least one some enriched deposits of plutonium; combined fire with the torpedoes of the Dauntless-class light cruiser Triton and weapon batteries of the Lunar-class cruiser Graf Orlok and Dictator-class cruiser Lord Solar Macharius reduced a crippled and limping Ork hulk to space debris
    _____ - - -
    • Nova Cannon (2nd)
      • Ship: Mars-class battlecruiser Imperious
      • Range: tens of thousands of kilometers
      • Operation: likely multiple gunners, boasts a deadly trademark accuracy, but based on the description for other weapons, gunners may not count on any tagging or sufficiently accurate scanning system to filter allies from foes in the middle of a large combat zone, which results in friendly fire

      Ammunition
      • Mechanism: seemingly standard shell, produces an explosion
      • Range: perhaps a few hundred meters?
      • Yield: destroys the front section of Chaos' old Murder-class cruiser Deathblade; damaged and uncontrollable plasma reactors fated to overload and explode
  • Cadian Blood _____(1)
    • Nova Cannon
      • Ship: Dominator-class cruiser Depth of Fury
      • Dimensions: entire piece about 500 meters long (ship is 4 km long)
      • Muzzle Speed: close to lightspeed
      • Range: above 5000 km
      • Operation: horrendous amount of prep., likely taking up a huge fraction of the five thousand slaves crew and some officers; slaves use machinery to place a shell in the hallyway-like release chamber, not all slaves escape in time when the firing system is temporarily sealed off; takes minutes to ready systems, and several tens of seconds for some final prep.; generators produce magnetic fields; the weapon is considered awkward, inefficient in orbit-to-surface warfare, not suited for ships smaller than cruiser-class vessels due to massive recoil issues taking minutes to recover, if not likely threatening the ship's superstructure itself; stops the crippled Fury in her tracks and sends it veering out of control

      Ammunition
      • Mechanism: implosion warhead, generates immense force that collapses matter into nothingness without any blast; properties similar to that of the physics of a collapsing sun
      • Dimensions: building sized
      • Range: limited to a fraction of the overall length of Chaos flagship Terminus Est
      • Yield: immense destructive force; first hit causes 16% hull damage to the Terminus Est and leaves a gaping hole; no massive blast despite direct hits at near c; no indication of thermal effects
  • Grey Hunter
  • Battlefleet Gothic Rulebook
  • Battlefleet Magazine #1 - Planet Killer _____(1)
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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by General Donner » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:26 pm

I actually happen to have that quote typed up. A moment and I'll look it up on my hard drive ...

There, that should do the trick:
Warriors of Ultramar wrote:DEEP IN THE bowels of the Argus, the fifty-metre wide door of the nova cannon's breech groaned shut as thousands of sweating naval ratings dragged the massive weapon's recoil compensators into position. Hot steam and noise filled the long chamber, its cavernous structure fogged with the furnace heat of lifting mechanisms that hauled the enormous projectiles from the armoured magazines below.

The chamber ran almost the entire length of the ship and stank of grease, sweat and blood. A booming hymnal echoed from ancient brass speakers set into grilled alcoves in the wall accompanied by the droning chant of thousands of men.

Senior gunner Mabon watched from his gantry above the firing chamber as a series of bells chimed and a row of lights lit up along a battered iron panel before him. He couldn't hear the bells, his long service as a gunner in the Imperial Navy having deafened him decades ago.

The shell was loaded and he muttered the gunner's prayer to the warhead as he squinted through a bronze optical attachment that lifted on groaning hinges from the panel. He clamped his augmetic monocle to the optical, lining up the thin crosshairs on the red triangle that represented his target. The target was closing on them so he didn't have to make any adjustments for crosswise motion. It was a simple shot, one he could have easily made, even in the earliest days following his press-ganging on Carpathia. Satisfied that the shell would be on target, he lifted his head and ran his gaze across the chamber, checking that his gunnery crew gangs were clear of the greassed rails that ran the length of the chamber and that each had their green flag raised to indicate that all the blast dampers had been closed. He reached up and took hold of the firing chain that hung above his station.

He grunted in satisfaction and pulled hard on the chain, shouting, 'Spirits of war and fire, I invoke thee with the wrath of the Machine God. Go forth and purify!'

Steam hissed from juddering pipes and a high-pitched screech filled the weapon chamber as the gravometric impellers built up power in the breech.

Mabon rushed to the edge of the gantry and gripped the iron railings. Seeing a weapon of such power discharge was a potent symbol of the might of the Imperial Navy and he never tired of the sight.

The screeching rose to an incredible volume, though Mabon was oblivious to it, until the nova cannon fired, and the enormous pressure wave slammed through the chamber. The weapon's firing sent the three-hundred metre barrel hurtling back with the ferocious recoil. The air blazed with sparks and burning steam as the grease coating the rails vaporised in the heat of the recoil, the stench of scorched metal and propellant filling the chamber with choking fumes.

Mabon roared in triumph, gagging on the stinking clouds of gas that boiled around him.

Juddering vibrations attempted to topple him from the gantry, but he had long since grown used to them and easily kept his balance.

The smoke started to clear and his gunnery overseers began whipping their gangs into dragging the massive weapon back into its firing position once more. The armoured bays in the floor groaned open and the looped chains descended to be attached to a fresh shell.

Mabon had drilled his gunnery teams without mercy and he prided himself that he could have the nova cannon ready to fire again within thirty minutes. This time would be no different.

***

THE SHELL FROM the Argus streaked like a blur of light through space, exploding like a miniature sun in the heart of the tyranid ships. More potent than a dozen plasma bombs, the shell detnated only a few kilometres from one of the manta-like creatures, instantly incinerating it in a roiling cloud of fire, which also scattered a nearby flotilla of smaller creatures. One creature fell away from its pack, glutinous fluids leaking from its ruptured belly. It thrashed as it died, eventually becoming still as it haemorrhaged fatally.

The swarm scattered from the blast, though a host of small organisms, each no larger than a drop pod, converged on the shrinking cloud of organic debris, exploding with terrific violence as they neared the centre of the blast.

A group of creatures surged forward, as though galvanised into action by the blast, and closed on the approaching Sword frigates.

Behind the frigates came Sword of Retribution, the Cobras of Cypria squadron and the strike cruisers of the Ultramarines and the Mortifactors.

First blood had gone to the Imperial fleet, but the battle had only just begun.
General info on the Nova Cannon. The Argus is a battlecruiser, don't remember exactly what kind right now.

And here's the bit with the muzzle velocity:
COLOSSAL ENERGIES HURLED the explosive shell from the breech of the nova cannon on the prow of the Argus and sent it streaking on a blazing plume towards the tyranid fleet. Travelling at close to five thousand kilometres per second, the shell closed the gap between the foes in a little under twenty-five seconds. As it closed to within fifteen thousand kilometres, blazing arcs of blue lightning surged outwards from the rippling plates of the creatures that surrounded the muscle beasts dragging the refinery, enveloping the missile's shell. Instantly, the shell exploded in an expanding cloud of burning plasma, its shattered remnants spinning off into space.
We're dealing with some kind of explosive projectile it seems. Haven't run any calcs on kinetic energy or momentum.

Edit: For some reason I gave the source as Nightbringer, an earlier book in the series. It should of course be Warriors of Ultramar.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:48 pm

Thanks! I'll be reading your post deeper later on. Right now, I'll inform all posters that I'll continuously edit the OP with links to each post. So don't mind making your posts shorter and post several of them, if it can help to sort out each source or each subtopic. Really, ideally, if a post could cover only one source, it would be ace.
I'll go look for the "Shadow Point" one, I know I have quoted it in my thread. There's a "Cadian Blood" one, and there's the description from Battlefleet Gothic rulebook. I also remember a given massive warship class being gently ridiculed because it precisely boasted a Nova cannon. I think it's in one of the online supplements for IoM warship classes.
In the meanwhile, I'll point towards an old post of mine at SBC, here.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by General Donner » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:43 pm

You want the Shadow Point one, I have that one as well. Have a look:
From its position in amongst the main cruiser formation, the Fearsome fulfilled its supporting role to devastating effect. Its massive, jutting, prow-mounted nova cannon wreaked havoc amongst the ork roks, firing explosive projectiles into their midst at near light speed. The Fearsome’s captain and gunnery officers were veterans in the effective use of the powerful but unpredictable weapon. The slow-moving and clumsy roks made for easy targets, and Fury fighters adapted to specialist reconnaissance duties were in close amongst the enemy target cluster, feeding back accurate and instantaneous telemetry data to the Fearsome’s gunners. So far, four shots had reduced two roks to just so much drifting and shattered asteroid debris, the last shot striking its target dead-centre and breaking it apart like a giant sledgehammer blow.
This too is the explosive shells variant it seems.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mith » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:24 pm

Wait, it took two of those each to take out roks? Those small asterodial ship things that orks use?

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:34 pm

I'll compile the "Shadow Point" data with the other stuff I posted on SFJN.
Among other things, by googling around, I noticed that it seems the NCs are generally inaccurate (the case of WoW might be an exception then, rather impressive since it's done all by a kind of telescope, although the target was dead ahead and closing directly without attempting any maneuver), their fuses set manually (they're kinda dumb projectiles), and accuracy not always helped with logic engines (computers).
However, they all seem to be using gravimetric/gravometric/gravitometric impellers (spelling varies, but it may also be due to people not being careful in their quotations), so that doesn't need to be specified either.
I'll also leave out the odd Ordinatus so called NC because it's just not about the naval gun we're looking for.
In general, most projectiles, recoil dampeners and other parts of the cannon are placed manually, with hordes of people pulling, hauling and heaving stuff.

@ Mith
Yes. Check out the "Shadow Point" thread, there are other interesting elements.
What's more intriguing is that Captain Orsai clearly knows several references from this book, and yet doesn't seem to have a problem with the yields he claims.
"Shadow Point" seems to be wholly ignored or atrociously butchered in order to bury its obviously non-friendly evidence.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:26 pm

Completing some SP quotations...
Shadow Point wrote: He pointed at the asteroid cluster dead ahead of them, the details and numbers of the ork rok fortresses there becoming more apparent the closer they drew to them. ’Weeds, Mister Ulanti. No sooner do we wipe them out, than they grow back again.’
Flashes of light from the pattern of roks signalled the commencement of hostilities. Ork munitions - massive, unwieldy and potentially devastating - flew through the void to detonate harmlessly in space well ahead of the advancing Imperial battle-line.
’Typical greenskins, no real command ability to speak of,’ grunted Werner Maeler, the Macharius’ efficient Gunnery Master.
’We’re well out of range, and they still can’t wait to open fire. Still, at least the energy release from their weapons fire gives our gunnery surveyors an easier target to lock onto.’
Surveyors locking (literally or not) onto thermal radiation apparently, or perhaps mere glare from the cannons in the visual spectre.
There are plenty of surveyor/augur/auspex notes, pointing to some long range scanning capabilities, although hampered by asteroid fields for example.
Shadow Point wrote: THE MACHARIUS POWERED forward, its gargantuan plasma engines spilling out a fire cloud trail in its wake. To its starboard lay the Gothic-class cruiser Drachenfels, an old and dependable comrade vessel, and the Dauntless-class light cruiser Triton. Triton’s sister ship Mannan and the Lunar-class cruiser Graf Orlok, an old but less dependable comrade vessel, were arrayed to the Macharius’ port side, while the Dominator-class cruiser Fearsome flew within the arrow-head formation formed by the other cruisers. It was the clenched fist inside the armoured gauntlet, its deadly prow-mounted nova cannon weapon aimed at the heart of the ork forces. Accompanying it were the escort carriers Vengeance of Belatis and Memory of Briniga, merchantmen transports converted to military use and named after just two of those many Imperial worlds which had been destroyed during the war.
[Insert G. Donner's quote]

The biggest roks were about 8 x 4 km large, and holding "deposits of enriched plutonium", "highly fissile" material. The roks themselves were made of "soft, porous rock".
Shadow Point wrote: One of the Fearsome’s killers drifted not too far away. Wolverine was a fragmenting hulk, with little left to suggest the armoured and heavily armed leviathan it had been less than an hour before. The Macharius’ Starhawk bomber squadrons, held back from battle with the roks for just this moment, had relentlessly harried and pursued the ork monstrosity, targeting its drive systems and leaving it crippled and limping, unable to outrun the gunsights of the Imperial cruisers’ weapons batteries. The Fearsome’s nova cannon, combined with the prow lances of the Triton and the torpedoes and weapons batteries of Macharius and Graf Orlok, had reduced it to just so much scattered space debris.
It seems that the Nova Cannon itself wasn't an automatic win against that target.
Shadow Point wrote: The Imperious, leading the charge from the vanguard of the Imperial line, was the first to draw serious blood. Even before the other ships could launch off a second torpedo wave, the Mars-class battlecruiser’s nova cannon was firing with its deadly trademark accuracy. Its chosen target was the Murder-class cruiser Deathblade, an old and bitterly-hated adversary from several actions the Imperious and its crew had waged against the enemy in the Orar sub-sector. The front section of the Deathblade was consumed in a sudden and fearsome explosion. Broken and ablaze, the cruiser fell out of the Chaos formation, its sister vessels hurriedly manoeuvring to get away from it as its surveyor signature showed all the wild and tell-tale energy fluctuations from damaged and out of control plasma reactors heading towards imminent and explosive overload.

[...]

On every ship involved in the engagement, surveyor screens swarmed with target icons. On both sides, members of gunnery crews simply dropped to the decks in exhaustion, overwhelmed by the heat, noise and toxic off-spill from weapons overheated to the point of catastrophe. On flight decks, ground crews worked numbly and robotically on a seemingly endless number of attack craft, prepping them for launch just as previously-launched craft, battered and missing many of their wingmen, returned to their carrier vessels for refuelling, re-arming and urgently-required repairs. The void around the giant cruisers was filled with a bewildering, swirling maelstrom of attack craft, fighters and bombers, Chaos and Imperial craft alike, all caught up together in one vast, straggling dogfight, spread out over tens of thousands of kilometres of space. Unable to distinguish friend from foe under such conditions, turret gunners on both sides often simply opened fire at any attack craft which came within striking distance, and more than one bomber or fighter pilot, having managed to survive the lethal gauntlet of the battle, found himself coming under fire from the defences of his own mothership.
Ranges are tens of thousands of km, but the gunners don't have access to a tag system that would help them sort out friends from foes. Even scans can't seemingly relate information about ship shape and so on that would eventually help identify them under such conditions. The second part of that long quotation is provided because it may give an idea of what the NC gunner can rely on for targeting. That said, the Imperious' NC is said to be deadly accurate, from a shot at the beginning of this other engagement.
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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:38 pm

Here are the experimental rules from Battlefleet Magazine #1, although the official title was "Planet Killer".
I'm not aware if these rules have been accepted or made official, but these releases were official nonetheless.
It's an interesting source as it actually provides a form of rationalization about some of the exceptional variants of Nova shells spotted in several books. The only problem here is to realize that the fluff is mixed to the rules.

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We basically have four new shell types.
  • Rift Shell
    Rift Shells carry warheads similar to those used in Vortex Torpedoes, except that the warheads of the Rift Shells are much larger and are capable of creating warp rifts in real space."
    "... all hits IGNORE shields [...] as blastwaves of immaterium smash into the ship!"
    "Any ship caught in the Warp Rift as it forms" may suffer some trouble "for failing to navigate the warp rift."
    "As making and transporting these shells is very dangerous", there's generally only one of such shells per fleet.
    When a ship carrying such a shell is hit to the prow, the Rift Shell may detonate, "causing the ship to be ripped apart from the inside as a Warp Rift begins to form."
    So the Rift Shell is a very sensitive piece of equipment, and is quite capable of being triggered even if not fired. The warhead is obviously already armed.
    Still, I don't get what makes it so different from a Vortex Torpedo. Perhaps it's the stability of the Warp phenomenon. If Vortex Torpedoes can't create rifts in real space, what do they create in real space then? -because we do know that they do create something in real space that's generally very nasty!
    The Armada Appendice for BFG, on page 157 (29 in the PDF) provides a description of Vortex Torpedoes.
    We're seeing a contradiction, because Vortex Torpedoes are precisely defined as doing all of what the Rift Shell does here; that is, creating a Warp rift that destroys a ship from within and even has time to suck the ship's debris into the Warp. Perhaps there's a form of retcon about the Vortex torps I have missed. The contradiction would easily be explained with the Planet Killer referring to an older concept of what Vortex Torpedoes were. At the very least, what is sure is that a Rift Shell will be far more powerful, simply due to its greater size and the Shell's lack of thrusters and everything that goes along those.
  • E.M. Shell
    "E.M. Shells are not so much designed to inflict damage as they are to interfere with enemy sensors and communications. When an E.M. shell is detonated, it unleashes massive amounts of Electromagnetic radiation and radio waves, scrambling sensor readings and interfering with shipboard communications."
    "E.M. shells are not designed to inflict damage, and as such, they have very little physical punch."
    Shiels and holofields are not affected: they work as normal in the case of a hit.
    Overlapping E.M. fields have a "larger interference level."
    The field itself has a persitant effect (last for D3 sums), which may imply a way to maintain particles in place (a play on gravity or some quick shift between mass and speed, most likely).
    Clearly, those shells are specifically designed to fire photons through as many frequencies as possible, while regular and yet massive explosions are "cleaner" in comparison. Those shells are omniband EMR jamming devices.
  • Grav Shell
    "Newly designed, these shells are extremely hard and dangerous to make, and as such they are only made in a few select installations in Deep space, far from any inhabited systems. The location of these installations is known to only a handful of individuals on ancient Terra and those who actually work on those stations, and keeping it that way is a top priority. Transportation of these shells is just as hazardous as making them, and as such, only 6 ships throughout the whole Imperium are known to have carried these deadly weapons, and 1 of those ships was lost when its cargo detonated onboard when the containment field on the warhead failed. When fired and "detonated", they implode and collapse in on themselves, forming what is essentially a short-life micro-blackhole, and creating a hellishly powerful Gravity well."
    During a Black Crusade, there's an IoM ship which used shells working that way, although their range was very limited: it only ate portions of the Warmaster's warship (which I think tanked two or three of them). - updated, it's in "Cadian Blood", and it's not totally identical.
    Oddly enough, game wise, it takes on turn for the micro-blackhole to be created. Transcripting those rules into fluff would be a bit tricky. Although not set in stone, a turn is often considered being between 15 minutes and one hour long, depending on the distances (Andy Chamber's words, scale is kinda "telescoping"). Nevertheless, it's devastating to ships, as they are immediately pulled towards the center of the blast template, and those whos stems touch the center are immediately destroyed. Then again, there seems to be a considerable difference in the range between the game rules and the fluff from fictions. Rules also prevent ships from orbiting those things, and even on the border of the template, engines of torpedoes and ordnance (smaller ships like fighters, bombers and boarding crafts/torps) "don't have enough power to escape the pull of the black hole, and light and radio waves are so distorted that clear readings of what's on the side cannot be established."
    So line of sight is blocked, which would mean sensors can't really get beyond the blackhole.
    This also means, on a sidenote, that weapon sensors are clearly affected by monstrous gravity.
    Torpedoes and ordnance are to be considered destroyed when their stems touch the edge of the template. They're lost.
    The blackhole also lasts for some time (D3 turns) and stays where the shell detonated, which would be quite hard if it normally kept going with the momentum of the Grav Shell. Considering that the variation is on the type of the shell, but not on how to fire them, they're obviously obeying the same range and speed as of typical Nova implosion shells.
    The stability of the shell itself is so atrocious that at the beginning of each turn, you must roll a die and if you pull a 6, the warhead's containment fails and begins to collapse inside the ship (still takes one turn to react).
    It's puzzling, because considering the chances of rolling a six, universe-wise, no ship would ever reach the battlefield. So perhaps the warheads have to be armed, and in order to fit with the requirements of the game, perhaps such activation takes time and preparation, and must be done long in advance of any firing sequence, explaining why this rule applies from the very beginning of any game.
    Final piece: "When the "Micro Blachole" "dies" [...], the intense gravity begins to waver and weaken. As the gravity weakens, it can no longer contain the matter that has been sucked into the black hole and intensely compressed. The matter explodes violently outwards from its prison and creates a new Dust Cloud" that's quite large, and ships take some damage (1 automatic hit).
  • Doppler Shell
    "Similar to E.M. shells, they are not designed to pack a physical punch, but instead are designed to release large amounts of graviometric waves that will bounced off the hulls of ships within the field of exposure and allow other ships to get a much better fix on their position."
    "Gas and Dust clouds interfere with the "doppler effect", which should place a limit on the kind amount of gravitons released, if we're talking about gravitons of course. That would be interesting, as it would prove the existence of level of technology where it's possible to generate gravity of the bat. When you can do that, you're expected to be able to play with mass as well. Sensors are also capable of measuring gravitons to some extent, even if only a passive way (they can only read, not fire gravitons themselves to get a better reading, otherwise those very rare shells would be useless). Most likely, this requires something as simple as a sensor sensible to gravity waves.
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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mith » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:42 am

Hmm, that's interesting. Especially that micro-black hole shell. It alone suggests that the ability to make and control black holes is either a lost art or a art that is rarely practiced. That puts them far behind several other series that regularly harvest or make use of black hole weaponry.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:58 am

Well, creating and maintaining black holes is nice but hardly that necessary when you can compensate for cruder but still sturdy ships and numbers. Besides, as for each technology, there are levels of perfection, and a massively efficient fusion power technology could still be good enough against a crude blackhole base tech. Eventually a large volume for the reactors would prove handy. Heck, it's totally possible that one way to power ships would be based on the creation and feeding of blackholes, but due to the process not being sufficiently good, would only be temporary. So you could see a school of thought preferring having all the systems based on fusion, even if it means being at a disadvantage against a ship running on blackhole engines, while knowing that said other ship can only maintain them online for a limited amount of time, and will have to rely on cruise fusion engines as a backup, which would be less efficient or simply less powerful.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mith » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:29 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Well, creating and maintaining black holes is nice but hardly that necessary when you can compensate for cruder but still sturdy ships and numbers. Besides, as for each technology, there are levels of perfection, and a massively efficient fusion power technology could still be good enough against a crude blackhole base tech. Eventually a large volume for the reactors would prove handy. Heck, it's totally possible that one way to power ships would be based on the creation and feeding of blackholes, but due to the process not being sufficiently good, would only be temporary. So you could see a school of thought preferring having all the systems based on fusion, even if it means being at a disadvantage against a ship running on blackhole engines, while knowing that said other ship can only maintain them online for a limited amount of time, and will have to rely on cruise fusion engines as a backup, which would be less efficient or simply less powerful.
Granted and it's true that more sophisticated technology isn't great if it can't be made practical, hence why the obvious hesitation at including more sophisticated designs into their starships, although I don't think they have black hole engines yet. Even more troubling isn't that such a system could only mantain them for a limited time, but the black holes themselves are unstable; there's a good chance that they might go boom.

Yet we're expected to believe that powers like the Romulans sport vastly inferior technology, despite using a far superior core method. Same with Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force, Stargate, and so forth. And I'm still thinking that those 90-110 petawatt reactors are for ships. I can't think of another reason to have megatons worth of energy being annhilated every second as part of power generation. I don't think even a hive city would need those sort of reactors (keep in mind that cities of that size would/should have multiple reactors spread throughout the city--otherwise a power failure on the reactor's end could mean rolling black outs for billions of people).

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:28 am

That core would probably be powering a ship imho. IIRC, there are forgeworlds where factories are powered by steel cables or something, with mentions of gigawatts taped from geothermal plants.
I also pointed out in the misc thread, some time ago now, that 90/100 PW may not be the power output, but the power of the kickstart, for example the power of a laser that begins the reaction.

I'm going to tidy up the references this weekend, and add the BFG rulebook stuff.

There's also other references about nova cannon from online supplements, although they're largely relevant as listing which kind of warships boast them.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:51 pm

Bump.
I'm still trying to get a proper sorting for the info, something standard out of that flood of information. At first I tried to subdivide "Operation" into more parts, but it was just too messy to be useful. I updated some of the specs, corrected some others, and I went looking for the "Cadian Blood" references. See below:
Cadian Blood wrote: The Depth of Fury was the single Imperial Navy ship of true cruiser size present. The Dominator-class was rarely seen in Battlefleet Scarus, and was considered by many captains to be something of the Navy’s bastard son. The more reliable Lunar-, Gothic- and Dictator-class cruisers held pride of place among Naval ranks and populated the majority of battle groups.
The Dominator’s undesirability was centred on its main weapon mounting. Thrusting from the armoured prow like a bared lance and reaching almost half a kilometre in length, a nova cannon took a horrendous amount of preparation in order to fire even once. It was also inefficient in orbit-to-surface warfare, rendering it less versatile than standard lance batteries, which in turn rendered it even less desirable.
Lastly, it was not viable to mount a nova cannon on any ship smaller than a cruiser-class vessel, purely because the recoil of firing the weapon would, at best, throw navigation all to hell and take precious minutes to recover. At worst — and much more likely — firing the weapon would collapse a smaller vessel’s superstructure and destroy the ship.
So this difficult, awkward weapon found its home on the prow of the often disregarded Dominator-class cruisers.
Captain Straden was all too used to being ordered into lesser duties — duties that he considered far below the honour worthy of an Imperial cruiser. He sat in his command throne now, feeling the heavy thrum in his bones as his beloved, underestimated ship came about to a new heading. The engines shook the entire ship, and well they might, for five thousand slaves and servitors laboured in the endless layers of the Fury’s aft decks. The enginarium was a hothouse of banging machinery, burning furnaces, sweating slaves and bellowing petty officers armed with pistols and whips.
Cadian Blood wrote: This was the first time Straden could ever remember thinking that the metres-thick adamantium armour of an Imperial ship, coupled with the invisible, crackling protection of void shields, would simply not be enough. Upon hearing those words, the name of that accursed ship that had been Segmentum Obscurus legend for thousands of years, he knew with cold certainty that he would die here.
He steepled his fingers as his elbows rested on the arms of the command throne. Death… The thought was oddly liberating.
“Bring us about until Terminus Est is in our forward fire arc. Status on the nova cannon?”
A weapons rating looked up from his console, one hand raised to his earpiece. “Prow fire control reports all systems ready,” he said.
“Warn the enginarium to make final preparations.”
There was the chatter of dozens of voices around the bridge speaking into vox mics, alerting fellow officers across the ship that the main armament was readying to fire.
Straden requested ship-wide vox, and a rating patched it through to the systems within his enclosing command throne.
“This is the captain,” he began, and his mouth grew dry even as his calm took greater hold on his heart. “All crew to battle stations. Brace to fire the nova cannon in thirty seconds. Station commanders to sound off when ready.”

[...]

“Come on,” Straden whispered. “Come on. Please, come on.”
“Enginarium…” the voice began, and the captain was already out of his seat before it finished, “…ready.”
Straden stared at the viewscreen, at the bloated shape of Terminus Est powering closer through the void. He drew his formal sabre, and aimed it at the image before him.
“Kill. That. Ship.”
Cadian Blood wrote: The principles of nova cannon technology are relatively simple.
Generators mounted in Depth of Fury’s prow and the cannon itself charged up, creating a series of powerful magnetic fields. Teams of slaves in the prow work with great loading machinery to feed a specially prepared projectile — an implosive charge the size of a small building — into a great hallway known as the release chamber.
Bulkheads slam down as the nova cannon readies to fire. The firing mechanisms must be isolated from the rest of the ship, and it is rare that all slaves escape in time. As Depth of Fury thundered towards, Terminus Est, battered by the anger of a dozen lesser vessels, Straden demanded haste above all else. Hundreds of slaves and servitors were killed in the preparation even before the ship’s destruction several minutes later.
Upon the order to fire, the magnetic fields accelerate the payload and hurl it from the fixed cannon at something close to the speed of light. Then the time-consuming and dangerous reloading process takes place, and the cycle repeats.
The payload hurtles through space faster than the human eye (and indeed, most instruments of human design) can track. It is programmed not to implode within safe distance of the firing vessel; a nova cannon’s destructive force is immense.
This failsafe can, of course, be overridden. In only a handful of minutes, it would be.
The projectile lanced across the distance between the two converging ships faster than the blink of an eye. Once it struck, it was programmed to implode, collapsing in on itself and achieving a density so intense all nearby matter would be sucked inside it and compressed to practically nothingness.
This is how stars die.
And this is what hit the oncoming prow of Terminus Est.
A sizeable chunk of the diseased ship simply ceased to exist, wrenched out of physicality and into nothingness. Consoles chattered and servitors grunted as Depth of Fury’s bridge instruments registered the damage.
“Direct hit,” said the lieutenant by the main weapons console.
Now the gangrenous ship was wounded. Detritus, mutated crew and shards of armoured hull span away into space, drifting from the gaping hole ripped into the prow of the advancing Chaos warship. The blood Straden could see was a flood of dark droplets — some hideous fluid leaking from the wounded sections of hull, turning into glittering crimson crystals as they froze in space.
It began to rotate — a fat whale rolling to avert its face.
“She’s hiding her bridge,” Straden cursed. “Sixteen per cent hull damage, captain. They’re venting air pressure and… and thousands of kilolitres of some kind of dark, organic fluid. Terminus Est is still coming, captain.”
Straden looked at the man as though he were the lowest form of idiot.
“Then by the God-Emperor,” he said, “you will fire again!”
Cadian Blood wrote: Depth of Fury powered on, shieldless and streaming jagged metal from its wounds. Like a plague of locusts, Chaos fighters flitted around the cruiser, a cloud of annoyance harassing all four kilometres of the great vessel. Depth of Fury shuddered under the withering hail of fire, geysers of pressurised air and quickly-killed flames gushing from the holes blasted in its ridged hull. The cathedral-like structures adorning its long back were in ruins, resembling the bones of some long-dead civilisation.
The ship’s destruction was inevitable. The damage was already nearly total.
The reports reaching Fury’s captain flashed through his mind and were discarded by all but the core parts of his consciousness. The hull was literally collapsing on too many decks to keep track of.
The void shield generators had been ejected into space to prevent a critical internal detonation. Half the plasma drives had ceased functioning. Navigation was fighting to keep the ship under control, and what control the officers had was unreliable in the extreme.
The cruiser passed between two Chaos vessels, and a final chorus of broadsides fired. The banks of cannons roared into the silence of space, tearing great scars along the edges of the grey-green ships as Fury sliced between them like a crumbling dagger.
Still, somehow, the prow was aimed at Terminus Est, following the larger ship as it rolled. We’ll only get one more shot, Straden knew. By the throne, I pray we make this count.
“Main weapon primed!” yelled a rating.
“Fire! In His glorious name! Fire!”
No preparations this time. The nova cannon charged its magnetic fields and spat its implosive gift at the Archenemy flagship.
Two things happened in the wake of that release. Close to the speed of light, the projectile hammered into Terminus Est, unleashing the physics of a collapsing sun into the ship’s underbelly.
Several decks simply ceased to exist as the implosion gouged a wicked, bleeding hole in the Traveller’s vessel. More wreckage, more crew and more diseased fluids drifted into space from the grievous puncture.
The second thing was that Depth of Fury lost all pretence of stability. The kickback from firing the nova cannon was colossal, effectively killing the cruiser’s forward motion and sending it veering to starboard, out of control.
The predator sensed its prey was crippled: Terminus Est loomed in the viewscreen, drifting closer.
Cadian Blood wrote: Petty Officer Ovor Werland laboured shirtless in the prow armament chambers of Depth of Fury. He was forty-three years old, and would never see forty-four. In his right hand was a laspistol, its ammunition expended. In his left hand was a whip, the leather cord slick with blood.
He’d lashed them, he’d shot some of them, but he’d done it. His team of slaves, now down to barely a hundred men, had reloaded the nova cannon in just under seven minutes. The mouth of the great turret had been fed with the huge warhead it would unleash.
Werland sprinted across the wreckage-strewn deck, leaping at the last moment over the still twitching body of a man he’d shot himself. He dropped his weapons, keyed the wall vox-speaker active and shouted over the wailing sirens that the captain could fire the main armament. His last duty done, Werland turned from the wall.
And froze.
The remaining hundred men of his slave team ringed him in an impenetrable semicircle. As the ship shuddered and came apart, the men stood there, pieces of wreckage held as weapons.
Petty Officer Ovor Werland paid the price many slavemasters have paid since time out of mind.
With nothing left to lose, his property rebelled and took their vengeance.
Depth of Fury was doomed. Although it would end its honourable but understated career in less than a minute, Ovor Werland was quite dead by then.

“Their cannon amasses power once more, great Herald.”
Typhus nodded his horned helm once. “End them. Now.”

“Main armament ready!” crackled the voice over the vox. Ovor Werland’s last words.
Straden’s mouth fell open for a moment. For one insane second he wanted to get back on the vox and ask that officer’s name, in order to recommend him for special citation.
“Fire my damn gun!” he roared at the surviving weapons officers.
They tried. Depth of Fury twisted slowly, exploding as it turned, bringing its cannon to bear with agonising slowness.
Their bridge. Straden breathed fast, unable to believe what he saw. The Archenemy flagship was filling the viewscreen now. And he saw…
Their bridge.
“It’s too close to fire, sir,” spoke one of the ratings. “We’ll be caught in the implosion.” Straden couldn’t believe what he’d heard.
“Do I look like I give a shit? We’re dead already! Fire! Fire, fire, fire!”
The magnetic fields powered up. Straden could feel them. He didn’t care that it was impossible.
He could feel the magnetic fields charging, heating his blood, vibrating his bones. He ignored the bridge detonating around him.
“Kill them!” he cried out with a savage brightness lighting his eyes. “For the Emperor! Kill them!”

Depth of Fury’s plasma drives finally exploded under the last sustained lance volley from Terminus Est and its support cruisers. The explosion sent shockwaves that rocked the nearby Chaos vessels, creating a great cloud of plasma residue and debris, hanging in space like a bruise-coloured nebula.
Terminus Est parted the dust cloud like a shark cutting through water. “That was close, Lord Typhus,” said one of the Death Guard flanking the Herald’s throne. “If they had fired…”
Typhus ignored him. “Make for The Second Shadow. That dies next.”
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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Interesting thread.

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Re: Wh40K - Nova Cannon references

Post by General Donner » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:02 pm

Good find with the Cadian Blood one. I don't have that book, but I believe I do have "Gray Hunter" around (that's from the Space Wolves books, right?). If I can find it, I'll see if it has anything to say about nova cannons.

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