Aurochs wrote: Starfury pilots moving at lower speeds then their top observed speeds is not necessarily evidence that they are sluggish. At times, they can be seen going quite fast. Endgame pilots were obviously taking evasive maneuvers so I wouldn't call that evidence of being 'sluggish', considering how poor the quality of maneuvering we see in SW is.
The sluggishness is because of the Star Fury design, and tech limitation.
Provide proof of the poor the quality of maneuvering we see in SW is. The closer a target is to the barrel the harder it is to shoot.
Aurochs wrote: You mean the two a-wings were all of the rebel a-wings? Were they the same two a-wings that popped the shield generator? considering that two a wings was the end result of the SSD 'intensifying forward firepower' to keep 'anything from getting through'
Watch the battle again. The lone SSD that had been fighting the entire battle had just suddenly had the entire rebel fleet gang up on it, and only the bridge deflector shield went down. Capital ships in Star Wars target the bridge just like fighters.
Aurochs wrote: and managed to destroy one fighter and damage another, and that this was the biggest kind of imperial ship bar the DS in the entire OT, that doesn't really say a whole lot about their capabilities in an anti-fighter role.
Do you honestly think the two A-wing were the only things attacking the SSD?
Aurochs wrote: Anakin and the other fighters were flying in pretty much a straight line, and lost one fighter, their maneuvering was not particularly amazing, and judging by how effective the point defense was in light of this, the point defense doesn't seem to be very accurate either.
A side from the fact B-1s were doing the shooting, and they even say they are programed to be bad shots, the Y-wings were almost scraping the Malevolence's hull. The guns could not get good shots, and that has nothing to do with Star Wars since it happens in B5 as well.
You do realize that was a bombing run right?
Aurochs wrote: And yet for their inertial dampeners, SW fighters are still less agile then starfuries. The falcon is not a good comparison for the starfury at all, considering it is not a fighter.
Your half right. The Falcon is a worn out beat up at times barely working out dated craft low end fighters out fly in every way, and literally fly circle around. I was comparing an old barely working Star warts rust bucket to a top of the line Babylon 5 fighter, and the rust bucket out performs the fighter.
You have yet to prove Star Wars fighters are less agile to Star Fury.
Aurochs wrote: It is stated as being the fastest-therefore we can safely say that no other vessel in the rebel fleet is faster. It is the only one of its kind , yet under-preforms when compared against whitestars in speed and maneuverability.
The Falcon isn't a one of a kind, and it doesn't work very well. It just has a very good hyper-drive, and is not designed to be used the way it often is. The Falcon isn't a war ship, and is not designed to be used as a fighter like it is.
Aurochs wrote: Both fighters and sharlins have stealth technology. Minbari stealth is ECM that renders targeting methods besides the common eyeball useless. Considering B5 seems to have consistently better scanners and targeting computers, SW might not be able to pik up Minbari fighters either.
A side from you not providing proof fighters have the ECM capability, Star Wars normally uses the mark one eye ball as it's targeting system so I guess Minbari ECM will be useless.^_^
Aurochs wrote: The point was that shielded SW fighters are capable of being damaged by indirect explosions, so it stands to reason that the significantly more fragile TIEs would as well.
Prove it.
Aurochs wrote: The missiles flew in a straight line to their target-just like modern missiles?
Since when do modern missiles just fly in a straight line?
Aurochs wrote: And that makes them less advanced?
Humans for a long time have been able to make remote control, and even AI controled weapons.
Aurochs wrote: The point is that the Vorchans had no trouble hitting fast-moving targets accurately with their main guns, something that SW has not demonstrated.
Remember Porkins man.
Those Vorchan are shooting at slow moving things that are coming at them, and have a very predictable flight path. It would be very pathetic if they couldn't do something a Star Wars craft could do.
Aurochs wrote: Only about 3 shots are seen to miss, out of all of those fired from the Vorchans. This is a point in their favor considering how inaccurate SW turbolaser fire is.
And there are far less shots then missiles.
Aurochs wrote: Size and speed comparable to the millenium falcon with far greater firepower.
The problem is the Falcon isn't designed for combat. The Falcon is basically a flying winabago with minimal defenses, and is well past it's prime.
The Vree ships on the other are made for combat, and only have one gun that shoots in one direction, and in order to use the gun you have to expose the largest cross section of the ship to enemy fire.
Aurochs wrote: Weapons that they never use at any point in the OT.
They did, but didn't bother to name them until years later.
Aurochs wrote: You keep on saying things like this, when all evidence points to the contrary?
You keep saying things like this, but never back it with evidence like I do. How am I suppose to take you seriously?
Aurochs wrote: I was referring to its ability to shoot down shielded speeders. The ATAT gunners were the best demonstrated in the entire OT.
I don't recall the Rebels having shielded speeders.
Blasters and similar weapons do act like flack.
Aurochs wrote: AT-ATs seem to be shielded. When unshielded objects get hit, we see scorching, sparks, smoke etc. This is exactly the sort of thing we saw when the falcon got hit on the ground. The flash wrapped around the lip in a manner that would be unlikely if the blast hadn't gone through the lip.
And that contradicts what we are told in every case, or do you think characters can't read?
Aurochs wrote: Minbari fighters have stealth technology, which means they can't be detected or targeted except by eyeball, this gives them a definite edge over the starfury, but does not mean that the starfury has inferior maneuvering. Considering how Darth Vader relies on his targeting computer so much, I'm curious how you would expect him to shoot down a minbari fighter.
You have yet to shown Minari have ECM systems, and by you reasoning Stars Wars forces will have the same advantage as the Minbari.. Star wars has ECM to you know.
It's rather odd the Star Fury had no trouble targeting any of the first ones.
Aurochs wrote: I remember playing Jedi Academy, and the E-11 had an automatic fire setting that sprayed shots everywhere. In the movies though, Stormtroopers seem to miss even though they aren't firing on automatic.
The recoil and full auto certainly don't help the Storm troopers hit their targets.
I'm not sure any of the heros hold the E-11 the same way Storm Troopers do?