The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

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The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:39 pm

basically the industrial capabilities of Star Wars and Star trek (chiefly the Dominion and Federation) and how they stack up to the following universe

I'm talking all the bets off complete and total mobilization of the entire economy and industry of the Galactic Empire The UFP and The Dominion what type of numbers would we be looking at here? how long could they maintain this out put and how quickly can they produce fleets

and how they stack up against the following

1, Macross specifically the protoculture republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentradi )

2, The Human Kind Empire Abh ( http://seikai.wikia.com/wiki/Humankind_Empire_of_Abh )

3, The two Major powers of Legend of Galactic Heroes ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_ ... tic_Heroes )

i apologize if the information is not enough for a proper rundown but I am curious could the three powers allied together manage to compete on an economic and industrial scale? if it came to war could they muster numbers to challenge them? if you need more lemme know and I'll dig around the interwebs for info on these guyd

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Re: The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:10 pm

damn...wrong section..requesting mods move this

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Re: The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:15 pm

Most advanced ST races rely on power and a few select materials for production due to advanced replication being available to them, the dominion have gone one step further as they use vorta and jems in regards to soldiery.

If you are allowing them to use all the available resources in the alpha and Gamma Quadrant you have 50% of the milky ways worth of their required resources and plenty of area to replicate in. So while the growth could start slowly with the logistics setup correctly it would grow to epic production rates in a very short period of time and certainly a lot faster than races without replication and cloning tech.

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Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:40 pm

that's what I was wondering the Zentradi for example have cloning tech and seemingly replication tech and have been able to amass supposedly at their peak of power a fleet in the billions of ships-while we never saw this on screen due mostly to them having collapsed as a society and been fighting essentially into extinction still had the industrial might to field millions.

would the ST milky way and SWU be capable of matching that if they needed too? I'm just curious about a max ballpark estimation for both sides

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Re: The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:35 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:that's what I was wondering the Zentradi for example have cloning tech and seemingly replication tech and have been able to amass supposedly at their peak of power a fleet in the billions of ships-while we never saw this on screen due mostly to them having collapsed as a society and been fighting essentially into extinction still had the industrial might to field millions.

would the ST milky way and SWU be capable of matching that if they needed too? I'm just curious about a max ballpark estimation for both sides
Star wars would need replication tech to do so but already has a large enough area in the galaxy, while ST has the replication tech but would need to expand its area of coverage.

So they both have the potential to do so.

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Post by Picard » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:01 pm

Well, as far as I remember, few million Zentradi ships did not manage to eradicate life on Earth, so SW and ST can match them, especially latter, having planetary shields and individual ships having ability to destroy civilizations. Correct me if I'm wrong, thought. I'm not expert on Zentradi.

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Post by User1486 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:54 pm

Picard wrote:Well, as far as I remember, few million Zentradi ships did not manage to eradicate life on Earth, so SW and ST can match them, especially latter, having planetary shields and individual ships having ability to destroy civilizations. Correct me if I'm wrong, thought. I'm not expert on Zentradi.

If I recall correctly, the Zentradi never really went all out against the humans in the first place, they were much more interested in the ship that crashed on Earth. Eventually, enough Zentradi were "enlightened" and reawakened to their suppressed emotions, given prolonged contact with the humans, and decided against it.

However, their power was indeed terrifying, and their weapon systems were far beyond the capability of Earth's military forces to deal with. There was an episode (I think its "First Contact" in English) in which some of the main officers were captured, and during their interrogation, they displayed their military might by scorching the surface of a planet and blowing out its atmosphere in a few seconds.

So, the Zentradi are certainly a capable force, they just didn't go all out against the humans. In the beginning of the series, they pretty much decimated the Earth's orbital defense forces, with the exception of SDF-1. But they stopped short of going all the way, particularly as their intrigue for humanity increased.


As for their industrial capability, I'm not so certain of that. It was implied that their entire species was devoted to military and combat, so much so that they no longer had the capability to even manufacture much of the stuff that they already had (Well, actually, they were created by the Protoculture solely for this purpose, and they have since long died off). They seemed much more the equivalent of Berserker Probes, going around star systems and decimating them even though their original creators were long gone.

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Re: The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Admiral Breetai » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:39 am

Picard wrote:Well, as far as I remember, few million Zentradi ships did not manage to eradicate life on Earth, so SW and ST can match them, especially latter, having planetary shields and individual ships having ability to destroy civilizations. Correct me if I'm wrong, thought. I'm not expert on Zentradi.

three command ships and some escorts burned a world like earth into a mars like planet inside of several seconds of sustained fire...they had issues at earth honestly I don't know why either dolza screwed up or his fleet was a bunch of fresh out of the cloning batch idiots...I honestly have no idea why that failed...I do know the entire planet had been converted into one gigantic gat though...which did damage to the enemy fleet

I don't doubt trek can match fire power though especially if all major powers pool their resources

Abh ships have secondary weapons capable of busting continents apart with a fleet numbering..in the hundreds of thousands..or maybe more..and they did iirc build a dysons sphere as far as engineering goes whats your take on trek and wars matching this?
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As for their industrial capability, I'm not so certain of that. It was implied that their entire species was devoted to military and combat, so much so that they no longer had the capability to even manufacture much of the stuff that they already had (Well, actually, they were created by the Protoculture solely for this purpose, and they have since long died off). They seemed much more the equivalent of Berserker Probes, going around star systems and decimating them even though their original creators were long gone.
that's because the knowledge is downloaded into their minds so Zent's only know what they need to for a specific task, but they did have massive manufacturing satellites one busted up outdated one..was able to pretty much resurrect the human race and rebuild they're space assets...and this was after the species had been declining for half a million years and had numerically dwindled big time

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Re: The industrial capabilities various sci fi races??

Post by Nowhereman10 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:33 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:three command ships and some escorts burned a world like earth into a mars like planet inside of several seconds of sustained fire...they had issues at earth honestly I don't know why either dolza screwed up or his fleet was a bunch of fresh out of the cloning batch idiots...I honestly have no idea why that failed...I do know the entire planet had been converted into one gigantic gat though...which did damage to the enemy fleet
It's fairly obvious why Bodolza's fleet failed at Earth. It was a threefold thing:

- The defecting Zentradi Adoclas fleet under Breetai numbered about 1,200 ships and was able to occupy some it.

- The Grand Cannon project, which caused severe damage to Bodozla's Bodol Main Fleet, a fleet of 4,795,122 ships, by wiping out more than 795,000 ships.

- The use of Lynn Minmay's singing as a major psychological attack, which threw much of the remainder of the fleet into a state of confusion.

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