The Galactic Empire vs the Empire of the North Galaxy

[Admiral Breetai]

one of Freiza's servants returns with news of an anomaly at the edge of his territory that leads into a whole new universe with many habited planets and very few powerful fighters...deciding to claim this new territory in the name of his Father Freiza decides to personally lead an invasion force into this galaxy

Vageta Nappa Radditz Zarbon and Dodria back him up..the ginyu force is on stand by

Freiza hears tell of this "dark lord of the Sith" and decides to send his Saiyan monkeys to go test out..the man..their mission to is capture curascant not destroy it and kill the emperor or at least survive long enough to report back about his strength

Freiza's goal is the conquest of the galaxy and the obliteration of any force..that can threaten him

Sidious knows their coming and prepares

can they win this?

[Lucky]

one of Freiza's servants returns with news of an anomaly at the edge of his territory that leads into a whole new universe with many habited planets and very few powerful fighters...deciding to claim this new territory in the name of his Father Freiza decides to personally lead an invasion force into this galaxy

Vageta Nappa Radditz Zarbon and Dodria back him up..the ginyu force is on stand by

Freiza hears tell of this "dark lord of the Sith" and decides to send his Saiyan monkeys to go test out..the man..their mission to is capture curascant not destroy it and kill the emperor or at least survive long enough to report back about his strength

Freiza's goal is the conquest of the galaxy and the obliteration of any force..that can threaten him

Sidious knows their coming and prepares

can they win this?

The only things that will be able to stop Freiza's forces are war ships performing planetary bombardment, or bio weapons, and those might not work.

If we go with EU Clone Emporer stats he might be able to win on his own.

[Admiral Breetai]

well their FTL is pretty craptastic..and they do have limited resources

Freiza as durable as he is likely also wouldn't survive a hit from a DS mind you he could also pretty effortlessly obliterate it

the problem is going to be protecting his forces to my knowledge he is the only one who can survive in space for any appreciable period of time

then again I'm not sure if an imperial fleet could stand up to Vageta or Nappa much less the others..it's possible depending on what figures you wish to use for Wars...and their force users..I'll allow the EU for this

[Lucky]

well their FTL is pretty craptastic..and they do have limited resources

Freiza as durable as he is likely also wouldn't survive a hit from a DS mind you he could also pretty effortlessly obliterate it

the problem is going to be protecting his forces to my knowledge he is the only one who can survive in space for any appreciable period of time

then again I'm not sure if an imperial fleet could stand up to Vageta or Nappa much less the others..it's possible depending on what figures you wish to use for Wars...and their force users..I'll allow the EU for this

I don't recall any speeds given for Dragon Ball FTL?

No one on the Star Wars side can survive a planet blowing up in their face so that's not really a disadvantage.

Freiza just need to send one warrior to take a planet unless there are ewoks on it. Ewoks are just to powerful, and Star Wars ground forces are almost useless when face with things their weapons will hurt.

Freiza has at least a few planet busters on his side remember, and the Empire(Star wars) is short on ships as is.

I can just picture the little round pods taking out Star Destroyers by ramming the bridge tower.

[Admiral Breetai]

Freiza is really the only one who can planet bust the others could BDZ worlds completely uninhabitable to human life pretty easily though Zarbon and Vageta where tossing around enough fire power to level continents in their fight in the manga any ways which is still a considerable threat to any imperial fleet or power that shows up

as for their ftl Freizas drone ships the one that saiyans ride on took a year to travel from their territory to earth freizas ol'man supposedly controlled almost all of the north galaxy and part of the east so it seems to indicate not as fast as wars ftl

[Lucky]

Freiza is really the only one who can planet bust the others could BDZ worlds completely uninhabitable to human life pretty easily though Zarbon and Vageta where tossing around enough fire power to level continents in their fight in the manga any ways which is still a considerable threat to any imperial fleet or power that shows up

Keep in mind that guys weaker then Vageta was when he first arrived on Earth were blowing up the Moon with ease. Being a planet buster is fairly common in Dragon Ball, but being able to survive without a planet is rare.

as for their ftl Freizas drone ships the one that saiyans ride on took a year to travel from their territory to earth freizas ol'man supposedly controlled almost all of the north galaxy and part of the east so it seems to indicate not as fast as wars ftl

I was under the impression that Nappa and Vageta were making stops along the way to Earth to attack planets.

The The Ginyu Force seemed to get to Namek rather quickly maybe weeks tops.

The problem is we don't know the distances between planets in Dragon Ball.

Freiza does have the advantage that the Planets in the GFFA are at times very close together as in sub-light drives can reasonably be used in some cases.

[Admiral Breetai]

Keep in mind that guys weaker then Vageta was when he first arrived on Earth were blowing up the Moon with ease. Being a planet buster is fairly common in Dragon Ball, but being able to survive without a planet is rare.

err the lack of them doing it on panel certainly suggests that especially in the manga..where iirc they certainly had the power to life wipe with no trouble they never really got close to world sundering might until they matched..then surpassed Freiza

then kid Buu star trek style vaporized the earth that was just sick...it actually came off better in the original manga then the anime (which is rare since the anime slightly over powers every one)

I was under the impression that Nappa and Vageta were making stops along the way to Earth to attack planets.

they stopped like that in the anime in the manga no such event occurred..so it was non canon filler

The The Ginyu Force seemed to get to Namek rather quickly maybe weeks tops.

if I recall right three or so weeks in the anime..seemingly closer and Breifs vastly improved ftl drive took six weeks to get Goku there..the namekain ship took around the same time

in the manga iirc six days or so for goku..'bout a day or so for Ginyu

they where likely closer to namek then earth and Bulmas ol'man being rather brilliant seemed to enhance the star drive or based it off namek tech

The problem is we don't know the distances between planets in Dragon Ball.

well their universe consists only of four galaxies and a couple pocket universes as per manga canon..earth has a Pangaea like super continent but the milky way seems to be about the same size as it is irl all other differences aside

Freiza does have the advantage that the Planets in the GFFA are at times very close together as in sub-light drives can reasonably be used in some cases.

true enough then again they can always boost an ISD if the ftl problems are really that bad

I wonder how the Emperors hand and other force users would fair against freizas mooks?

[Lucky]

err the lack of them doing it on panel certainly suggests that especially in the manga..where iirc they certainly had the power to life wipe with no trouble they never really got close to world sundering might until they matched..then surpassed Freiza

It just means they aren't interested in killing themselves. Characters are blowing up the Moon as early as Dragon Ball, and by Z they are much more powerful.

they stopped like that in the anime in the manga no such event occurred..so it was non canon filler

It doesn't conflict with the manga at all, and when fighting Goku Vageta threatened to blow up the Earth didn't he?

if I recall right three or so weeks in the anime..seemingly closer and Breifs vastly improved ftl drive took six weeks to get Goku there..the namekain ship took around the same time

in the manga iirc six days or so for goku..'bout a day or so for Ginyu

they where likely closer to namek then earth and Bulmas ol'man being rather brilliant seemed to enhance the star drive or based it off namek tech

Or they could have been farther away, but have a faster FTL drive, we just can't know. It would be hard to have an empire if it took you years to get anywhere.

well their universe consists only of four galaxies and a couple pocket universes as per manga canon..earth has a Pangaea like super continent but the milky way seems to be about the same size as it is irl all other differences aside

Then we can't know what size the Galaxies are if everything is just so different.

true enough then again they can always boost an ISD if the ftl problems are really that bad

Yep it should be easy for them to get everything they need to use hyperdrives.

I wonder how the Emperors hand and other force users would fair against freizas mooks?

Ki/Chi powers all at least have some force power counter part. Aside from the extremely rare force users like Starkiller force users are pretty weak compared to dragon ball characters, and the mooks can aim as I recall.

[Admiral Breetai]

It just means they aren't interested in killing themselves. Characters are blowing up the Moon as early as Dragon Ball, and by Z they are much more powerful.

Roshi doing that seemed really inconsistent like near spiderman vs fire lord bad..especially when King piccolo refreshed going all out barely nuked a medium sized city

and the strongest balls to the wall all out 100% jr a character a couple times his strength could muster was glassing an island..

like I said they can prolly render any planet uninhabitable..but not mass scatter it..BDZ level fire power should be easy for most of the guys listed though since at least two or three on panel started leveling continents with palm blasts then theres Freizas coring namek..and pulverizing Vageta

It doesn't conflict with the manga at all, and when fighting Goku Vageta threatened to blow up the Earth didn't he?

Vageta had been exhausted and maimed and was mentally unhinged when he said that it's not a very reliable character statement..he really was totally out of his mind by that part

mind you that attack prolly would of decimated the main continent and left most people dead

Or they could have been farther away, but have a faster FTL drive, we just can't know. It would be hard to have an empire if it took you years to get anywhere.

that's true then again iirc Freiza at least seemed to rule like the Dominion through threat of force and sending his crazy world killers then force itself

but your right

Then we can't know what size the Galaxies are if everything is just so different.

true enough they certainly had more inhabited worlds then we know about lol

Yep it should be easy for them to get everything they need to use hyperdrives.

it might be a little out of character for a psychopath like Freiza but he's got in front of him space fleets and the technology to build planet killers...potentially trying to convince Generals and Admirals to follow him isn't out of the question

or he may see them as a threat and order it all blown up..not sure

Ki/Chi powers all at least have some force power counter part. Aside from the extremely rare force users like Starkiller force users are pretty weak compared to dragon ball characters, and the mooks can aim as I recall.

they didn;t seem to have normal guns though but guns that where kinda like skrills and depended on their own chi to empower

[Lucky]

Roshi doing that seemed really inconsistent like near spiderman vs fire lord bad..especially when King piccolo refreshed going all out barely nuked a medium sized city

and the strongest balls to the wall all out 100% jr a character a couple times his strength could muster was glassing an island..

like I said they can prolly render any planet uninhabitable..but not mass scatter it..BDZ level fire power should be easy for most of the guys listed though since at least two or three on panel started leveling continents with palm blasts then theres Freizas coring namek..and pulverizing Vageta

Just because you can do something does not mean you want to.

Vageta had been exhausted and maimed and was mentally unhinged when he said that it's not a very reliable character statement..he really was totally out of his mind by that part

mind you that attack prolly would of decimated the main continent and left most people dead

One could also take that as Vageta would rather die along with his enemy then lose.

that's true then again iirc Freiza at least seemed to rule like the Dominion through threat of force and sending his crazy world killers then force itself

but your right

The Dominion can easily get anywhere in their territory just like the UFP.

If Freiza does not make the rounds his empire will start to lose their fear of him, and his minions are hardly the type to stay loyal just out of the goodness of their hearts, and because Freiza is such a great guy.

it might be a little out of character for a psychopath like Freiza but he's got in front of him space fleets and the technology to build planet killers...potentially trying to convince Generals and Admirals to follow him isn't out of the question

or he may see them as a threat and order it all blown up..not sure

The thing is hyperdrives are everywhere in the GFFA. I can't see Freiza not at least finding out what one can do since the guys he is fighting use them.

they didn;t seem to have normal guns though but guns that where kinda like skrills and depended on their own chi to empower

My point was that Frieza already has faced people with powers like the high end force users, and that unlike the Star Wars troops his seem to be able to aim at least a little better..

[Admiral Breetai]

Just because you can do something does not mean you want to.]

when your a sadistic psychopath fighting an arguably amoral mass murderer and both parties had shown they cared very little for collateral ?

One could also take that as Vageta would rather die along with his enemy then lose.

he was how ever whacked out of his gord and in no physical condition...that approached optimum..so maybe maybe not

The Dominion can easily get anywhere in their territory just like the UFP.

they rule almost an entire quadrant don't they? unless they have various colonies with some founders and shipyards and what have you..in a sort of grid it'd take seven decades to fully cross the breadth of their turf

If Freiza does not make the rounds his empire will start to lose their fear of him, and his minions are hardly the type to stay loyal just out of the goodness of their hearts, and because Freiza is such a great guy.

Freiza had a father in canon at least in the movies a brother to help maintain that aura of fear and his minions stayed loyal to him because if he ever showed up he could casually annihilate all of them with a gesture Ginyu force included

The thing is hyperdrives are everywhere in the GFFA. I can't see Freiza not at least finding out what one can do since the guys he is fighting use them.

true he was one of the few DBZ baddies that had a brain

My point was that Frieza already has faced people with powers like the high end force users, and that unlike the Star Wars troops his seem to be able to aim at least a little better..

ah fair 'nuff then

[Lucky]

when your a sadistic psychopath fighting an arguably amoral mass murderer and both parties had shown they cared very little for collateral ?

But how many of the characters can survive without an atmosphere? Blowing up the planet you are fighting on could easily mean death if you need to breath.

he was how ever whacked out of his gord and in no physical condition...that approached optimum..so maybe maybe not

The kind of state of mind in which someone might do something that would kill themselves, but we can't know for certain.

they rule almost an entire quadrant don't they? unless they have various colonies with some founders and shipyards and what have you..in a sort of grid it'd take seven decades to fully cross the breadth of their turf

With good maps warp drives can be very fast.

Voyager for example was in a state of disrepair, low on supplies, and barely seemed to know where stuff was. On the other hand you have the E-D travel almost as far as Voyager did during it's trick home in a week to a month's time in the chase.

Freiza had a father in canon at least in the movies a brother to help maintain that aura of fear and his minions stayed loyal to him because if he ever showed up he could casually annihilate all of them with a gesture Ginyu force included

That's still a lot of ground to cover when your forces are likely not to be the most loyal or sane.

ah fair 'nuff then

There is also the fact that the standard blasters will be useless against a naked warrior from Frieza's army.

Just picture the looks on the Jedi and Sith's faces when their light sabers bounce off bare skin.^_^

[Khas]

when your a sadistic psychopath fighting an arguably amoral mass murderer and both parties had shown they cared very little for collateral ?

But how many of the characters can survive without an atmosphere? Blowing up the planet you are fighting on could easily mean death if you need to breath.

If Bardock: Father of Goku was anything to go by, then Frieza's goons (as well as Frieza himself) were capable of surviving in space with no protective gear.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Does DBZ even have FTL? Not through personal power; instant transmission, despite its name, was confirmed to be light speed, and yet was the fastest method of transportation. Maybe their spaceships do, but it's doubtful if they're fast enough to go Coruscant.

In terms of technology, DBZ is outmatched. However, they do have some pretty frighteningly powerful superpowers...if you go by their high end feats. That is, them casually destroying the moon (and it somehow not screwing up Earth) or recreating it casually, or destroying planets. Low end DBZ can go pretty darn low though. For example, characters are sometimes hurt by rocks being thrown at them, or getting hurt by being thrown a few meters, or their blasts doing sub kiloton damage, or fighting at sub-sonic speeds.

Any of Freiza's minions are pretty much useless. A mass scaled base delta zero would effectively destroy all of Freiza's empire's infastructure, and the invasion force would be absurdly outnumbered. The minions can't really capture Coruscant. Any major Star Wars civilization in full war mobilization would be frighteningly powerful, so much that Freiza's minions would face billions or trillions to one numerical handicaps.

What about Freiza himself? It depends on what version in terms of feats. High end? He effortlessly destroys the imperial fleet. Low end? He gets one shotted by a turbolaser.

DBZ characters are simply too inconsistent to be part of a technical vs debate. Sometimes they can destroy planets casually, but then they get harmed by sub kiloton explosions.

[Admiral Breetai]

Does DBZ even have FTL? Not through personal power; instant transmission, despite its name, was confirmed to be light speed, and yet was the fastest method of transportation. Maybe their spaceships do, but it's doubtful if they're fast enough to go Coruscant.]

they have FTL Tech some of it is obscenely fast..some of its not so much

they can always boost an ISD..nothing can really stop them

]In terms of technology, DBZ is outmatched. However, they do have some pretty frighteningly powerful superpowers...if you go by their high end feats. That is, them casually destroying the moon (and it somehow not screwing up Earth) or recreating it casually, or destroying planets. Low end DBZ can go pretty darn low though. For example, characters are sometimes hurt by rocks being thrown at them, or getting hurt by being thrown a few meters, or their blasts doing sub kiloton damage, or fighting at sub-sonic speeds.

durability tends to be inferior to destructive capacity in DBZ and they have low physical trauma resistance but high energy soak

Any of Freiza's minions are pretty much useless.

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion considering even mook level minions where chucking around gigaton level fire power with zero fatigue

A mass scaled base delta zero would effectively destroy all of Freiza's empire's infastructure,

an invasion into the Northern galaxy is a bad idea..

]and the invasion force would be absurdly outnumbered.]

wont be a problem for long

]The minions can't really capture Coruscant.

they can accomplish this just fine...Nappa or Vageta by themselves very likely could do this

Any major Star Wars civilization in full war mobilization would be frighteningly powerful, so much that Freiza's minions would face billions or trillions to one numerical handicaps.

at least three of Freizas top mooks can annihilate continents with a decent sized palm blast the rest range from leveling mountain ranges to wiping entire countries off the map with a literal finger flick...any ground or orbit based battle...may not go as well as you think

What about Freiza himself? It depends on what version in terms of feats. High end? He effortlessly destroys the imperial fleet.

huh? how can you come to this conclusion

Low end? He gets one shotted by a turbolaser.

Freiza is canonically the only Dragon Ball Z character to ever survive a planet buster on nothing but durability (seriously his durability is freakishly higher then his strength he's the inverse of the normal rule) at his lowest..no less