Takeover of Jedis by Borg/Goauld and other Scifi parasites

[PunkMaister]

Now with the the upcoming Clone Wars episode in which a Jedi is taken over by a Geonoshian Hive mind parasite (Warsies must be raking their eyeballs out by now!) it has become obvious that Jedi are vulnerable to being taken over by the Borg or the Goa'uld or other Scifi universes parasites as well.
What do you think?

In SD.NET they have already dissed Clone Wars as not even being part of SW canon of any kind just to preserve their ultra wank...

[Mike DiCenso]

In SD.NET they have already dissed Clone Wars as not even being part of SW canon of any kind just to preserve their ultra wank...

While that may not be suprising, do you have any links to threads where they outright as a whole declare TCW as non-canon, even though that runs very contrary to every Lucasfilm statement that places it above the EU and just below the movies themselves in the canon hierarcy?
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

In SD.NET they have already dissed Clone Wars as not even being part of SW canon of any kind just to preserve their ultra wank...

While that may not be suprising, do you have any links to threads where they outright as a whole declare TCW as non-canon, even though that runs very contrary to every Lucasfilm statement that places it above the EU and just below the movies themselves in the canon hierarcy?
-Mike

Well what they do more precisely is diss everything that takes place in TCW as not being canon because in their eyes is inconsistent with their wank, they excuse this by saying that they are proceeding the same way when one gets an anomalous result in an experiment and thus the result is discarded.

Still getting back on topic do you think given the new evidence that Jedis could indeed end up infected by parasites such as The Borg in ST or the Goa'uld in SG etc.?

[The Dude]

I haven't seen TCW yet, I don't believe it airs in Canada (or I just don't have the channel) but the Goa'uld are a little different then the Borg nano-probes are they not? Going by what I recall of them in the episode with those Ork like things (Unas?), they actually throw themselves out of the water at a target. So the Jedi could likely react against them.

The Borg physically inject them, so they can be engaged in combat.

In both cases I see no reason why they couldn't be injected/violated/whatever, obviously it would be easier if the Jedi was subdued.

[Mike DiCenso]

The average blog-standard Jedi can be overwhelmed by sheer physical numbers as we have seen in AoTC, RoTS, and in the TCW cartoons. Get enough Borg drones, shield adaptation to the energy of the lightsabre blade, and you have an assimilated Jedi. Furthermore, though it would require some creative thinking on the Collective's part, the Borg could also utilize the nanoprobe delivery systems developed by the Voyager crew to fight Species 8472 to take over a larger number of Jedi from a distance.

The Goa'uld symbiotes can also pull off an attack on Jedi Joe Average by simply sacrificing enough Jaffa to keep them occupied long enough for it to attach and pierce through to the victim's spinal column.

Other hive-mind sci-fi parasites, like the sentient/sapient virus from the Doctor Who episode "The Invisible Enemy", can infect a host via a kind of electric static discharge area effect.
-Mike

[Kane Starkiller]

The Borg doesn't poses the nanoprobe technology developed by Voyager to fight Species 8472 since Janeway never gave them the technology.

[Mike DiCenso]

The modifications to the nanoprobes themselves were specifically designed around them being able to affect and kill the unique biology of Species 8472, which you are correct, Janeway did not share with them. However, that has little effect on the idea of the Borg possibly making use of the deliverly systems, which the Borg had a significant acess to. Seven of Nine was still part of the Collective when she was present on Voyager during the delivery systems' technology development, and a good portion of the concept was seen through on the Borg cube ship before that was destroyed.
-Mike

[sonofccn]

There should be no reason for a bog standard jedi to resist infection of Borg nanoprobes, Goauld parasite etc. The only difficulty is as The Dude pointed out getting to that stage. Even a bog standard jedi isn't a pushover. I'm curious through could a Goauld infesting a jedi use his jedi powers or would the force prevent that. If one could...well I foresee Goauld's egos swelling even further as they gain command over true godlike powers.

[Mr. Oragahn]

That revealed weakness is not even necessary for a Goa'uld to possess a Jedi.
A Goa'uld has been capable of possessing Adria, whose powers are similar to that of a upper tier Jedi. A Goa'uld's mind hack is more physical than psychic. The consciousness of the host remains, the host feels everything, but can't do anything against the hold of a symbiote. It is not even a question of battle of the wills, as the only time this worked was when Skaara got infected by Klorel, still a young symbiote. Mature symbiotes don't suffer this issue, and as long as they live, their host experience everything the body feels and what the parasite orders the body to do. Time seems to be eternity, a host's torment is counted in centuries or millenia, and death is by far the most salutary and simple option for the host.
A symbiote is strong willed, enough so that no Jedi could force one out of another Jedi's body by mere play of mind tricks. Telekinetics wouldn't allow the minutia that is necessary to remove a symbiote, and symbiote can unleash a nerve toxin if they wish, which effects are rather fast.

The best a Jedi can do to avoid being possessed is to detect the symbiote while it is crawling in some dark corner or within someone else and kill the symbiote.

[Mith]

The Borg doesn't poses the nanoprobe technology developed by Voyager to fight Species 8472 since Janeway never gave them the technology.

That would be pretty strange since Janeway gave 8472 the technology they used against them and didn't mention one bit about the borg not having the technology yet. In case you're wondering, when 7 was reunited with the Collective, all the things she knew, they knew. And we know she worked with them to complete the weapons on time.

Also, we saw that in another episode the Borg were adjusting the nano-bomb idea for planetary assimilation.

[Mike DiCenso]

See my previous posting, Mith. Janeway never gave away the secret of the modified nanoprobes to the Borg, but both the Voyager crew and the Borg did share work together on the delivery system for them, which is what I postulated could be made use of by the Borg to staturate a planet where Jedi might be on.
-Mike

[Mith]

See my previous posting, Mith. Janeway never gave away the secret of the modified nanoprobes to the Borg, but both the Voyager crew and the Borg did share work together on the delivery system for them, which is what I postulated could be made use of by the Borg to staturate a planet where Jedi might be on.
-Mike

Seven was working with them to get the warheads finished remember? That mkeans she was working with them and had a chance to examine them. We know just from the episode after Scorpion Part 2 that Seven is able to penetrate bulkheads to look at devices that can give her away to contact the hive. This is supported by I Borg, where Geordie notes that the artificial eyes of the Borg can supply them with complex holographic information.

We also know that once Seven was reconnected with the Hive Mind (ie, right after she got back into normal space), it would be hers and the Collective's immediate point to collect anymore added information. Remember, that the Collective was only working with them because they had something over their heads. With Seven having gotten that information to the Collective, they crew had nothing to hold over the Borg anymore.

This is also supported by the episode where Janeway runs into that 8472 station. She gives them an example of the technology, rather than claiming that the Borg never had the technology and they can go back to kicking their ass. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and dislike for the Borg would have told them that.

[Mike DiCenso]

You missed my point, Mith. It's irrelevant if the Borg do possess the modified nanoprobe technology or not. What is important is that they have access to and can make use of the photon torpedo delivery system for widespread dispersal over a planet, or even an entire star system. If the Borg do have the moded nanoprobes, that's just icing on the cake.
-Mike