Why Ion cannons in Star Wars and Stargate recoil?

[PunkMaister]

In TESB in SW and in Stargate SG-1 when they go to the New Tollana to judge the Goa'uld that had taken Skaara as a host, we see the surviving Tollan Ion cannon recoiling as it fires as well, my question is why should cannons that fire energy bolts recoil at all? Correct me If I am wrong here, it looks mighty cool though... :D

[Mr. Oragahn]

How much should the projectiles weigh? You know, the ion shots in SG were very weird, and had an ability to home on target within seconds after being fired from the ground. The speed at which an ion bolt made contact with target after being fired was ridiculously fast, crossing thousands of km in a few seconds.

[PunkMaister]

How much should the projectiles weigh? You know, the ion shots in SG were very weird, and had an ability to home on target within seconds after being fired from the ground. The speed at which an ion bolt made contact with target after being fired was ridiculously fast, crossing thousands of km in a few seconds.

Well yes and the same could be said of the shots the ION cannon at HOTT fired at the imperials...

[l33telboi]

Even normal lasers and particle-accelerators have recoil, decided by E=p*c (or p=E/c in this case), they just have to shoot a godlike amount of energy for it to be noticed.

[PunkMaister]

Even normal lasers and particle-accelerators have recoil, decided by E=p*c (or p=E/c in this case), they just have to shoot a godlike amount of energy for it to be noticed.

So bottom line is that it even happens is within what we could call "acceptable parameters" right?

[l33telboi]

So bottom line is that it even happens is within what we could call "acceptable parameters" right?

The ion cannons in Stargate and Star Wars aren't like normal particle weaponry. Normal particle-accelerators would shoot beams at stuff, not slowly moving pulses.

But there should be recoil, even in normal particle-accelerators, so it's not much of a problem.

[PunkMaister]

So bottom line is that it even happens is within what we could call "acceptable parameters" right?

The ion cannons in Stargate and Star Wars aren't like normal particle weaponry. Normal particle-accelerators would shoot beams at stuff, not slowly moving pulses.

But there should be recoil, even in normal particle-accelerators, so it's not much of a problem.

Well the speed of those bolts or pulses are nothing to sneeze at either so I would not exactly call them slow but I get where you are trying to go with this. They are not as fast as an actual beam would be not that energy beams in Scifi shows are that fast either.

[Mr. Oragahn]

The recoil is largely defined by the acceleration and the mass. We simply have to consider that these bolts are either very energetic but lightweight, or much more massive, but not overly powerful... well, powerful they are, but not powerful as ICS wank, OK? :)

[PunkMaister]

The recoil is largely defined by the acceleration and the mass. We simply have to consider that these bolts are either very energetic but lightweight, or much more massive, but not overly powerful... well, powerful they are, but not powerful as ICS wank, OK? :)

I think at this point is more than safe to say than other than at SDN itself the ICS figures are pretty much out of the picture.

[Mr. Oragahn]

The recoil is largely defined by the acceleration and the mass. We simply have to consider that these bolts are either very energetic but lightweight, or much more massive, but not overly powerful... well, powerful they are, but not powerful as ICS wank, OK? :)

I think at this point is more than safe to say than other than at SDN itself the ICS figures are pretty much out of the picture.

Anyone has a right to believe anything, even if it's ridiculous, and on these terms, you probably did not notice, but some SBC members still cite Saxton's official works either directly or indirectly, regardless of the threads dedicated to debunking some of the figures.
I understand that the typical anti-ICS threads (for a lack of better terms) are extremely rebutting to read.

Eventually, only a wiki structure dedicated to Saxton's official works would allow for a great and absolutely clear source of reference to rely on. It would obviously focus on any licensed material Saxton worked on, closely or not. Each article could therefore make a reference to another case and provide a link, where each case would be given its own page.
Globally, it would be a wiki largely focusing on anti warsie wank in fact, not solely on Saxton's influence on official material, but globally all far fetched claims that are made about SW.

Perhaps in fact the under used wiki of SFJN could serve such a purpose.
Each page would be dedicated to a case, and each page would be composed of articles, each signed by its author, so you would have the opportunity to read condensed and organized opinions.

But perhaps this should have been done much earlier on. I don't feel like going through all of this again.

[GStone]

There is also the fact that since they are distinct masses, they can have enough coherence to have some 'weight', like a solid object has. It's mass would be high enough that it'll give recoil, as you keep going up in bolt strength.

[ILikeDeathNote]

I'm really, really trying hard to avoid the most obvious, most lazy and yet least productive answer: because George Lucas/the art directors he hired/the people who run Stargate thought it would look cooler (or "more relatable" or whatever word they want to use) that way.

Better answer: well obviously it has to throw out some sort of clump or stream of matter. Consider this thought:

Knowing that a Star Wars ion cannon disables electronics, perhaps its just as the name suggests: a highly charged ball of ionized...stuff (plasma maybe?) Actually, there's a precedent for this, as a highly charged plasma field is known to disable electrical communication, as extensively discussed when the Soviets temporarily lost contact with Sputnik and is supposedly the basis for their "plasma stealth technology" claims.

As for Stargate ion cannons, didn't even know they had them.

[Mr. Oragahn]

I'm really, really trying hard to avoid the most obvious, most lazy and yet least productive answer: because George Lucas/the art directors he hired/the people who run Stargate thought it would look cooler (or "more relatable" or whatever word they want to use) that way.

Better answer: well obviously it has to throw out some sort of clump or stream of matter. Consider this thought:

Knowing that a Star Wars ion cannon disables electronics, perhaps its just as the name suggests: a highly charged ball of ionized...stuff (plasma maybe?) Actually, there's a precedent for this, as a highly charged plasma field is known to disable electrical communication, as extensively discussed when the Soviets temporarily lost contact with Sputnik and is supposedly the basis for their "plasma stealth technology" claims.

As for Stargate ion cannons, didn't even know they had them.

They are more brutal. They literally destroy shielded Ha'taks in a few shots, and home on target. Nastier if you want to clear the sky of your enemies.
They are also considerably smaller, and can even target small crafts like Death Gliders and other ground targets such as small and flat buildings (cut the sound before playing the video), at least.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ion_cannon

[PunkMaister]

I'm really, really trying hard to avoid the most obvious, most lazy and yet least productive answer: because George Lucas/the art directors he hired/the people who run Stargate thought it would look cooler (or "more relatable" or whatever word they want to use) that way.

Better answer: well obviously it has to throw out some sort of clump or stream of matter. Consider this thought:

Knowing that a Star Wars ion cannon disables electronics, perhaps its just as the name suggests: a highly charged ball of ionized...stuff (plasma maybe?) Actually, there's a precedent for this, as a highly charged plasma field is known to disable electrical communication, as extensively discussed when the Soviets temporarily lost contact with Sputnik and is supposedly the basis for their "plasma stealth technology" claims.

As for Stargate ion cannons, didn't even know they had them.

They are more brutal. They literally destroy shielded Ha'taks in a few shots, and home on target. Nastier if you want to clear the sky of your enemies.
They are also considerably smaller, and can even target small crafts like Death Gliders and other ground targets such as small and flat buildings (cut the sound before playing the video), at least.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ion_cannon

Indeed there is a better video here! :D

And here is a vid of the SW ION cannon.

Bot recoiling and cool in their own right. The SW Ion cannon seems to have an effect similar to that of an EMP weapon on the target it happens to hit. In Stargate they had EM :Pulse weapons as well as Vala used one once to escape from the Lucian Alliance.

[ILikeDeathNote]

Yeah I would say that the Stargate Ion Cannon is just a big-ass particle cannon of some type, that probably spews a bunch of ions.

That's probably why they call it an Ion Cannon ;)