Galactica vs the TOS Enterprise

The Corporal · Post by **The Corporal** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:08 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:
Yeah. As I pointed out earlier, there is no point because the guy who wrote the whole thing is not doing it to be really serious about it in the first place and chose the Galactica as winner "just 'cause", rather than follow the conclusion, which he himself made in giving the vast majority advantages to the Enterprise.
-Mike

It's like arguing with a Youtube commenter.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:30 pm

PunkMaister wrote:I'd say the TOS enterprise Pwns NBSG Galactica by far and wide. The enterprise has the benefit of shields, phaser banks and photon torpedoes. All the NBSG Galactica has are nukes which would be mostly ineffectual against the Enterprise's shields. The fighters would not make that much of a difference either. The only advantage the NBSG Galactica has over TOS enterprise in fact is it's point to point FTL.

Well, but if you can't quantify any of those weapons, it's useless. Maybe the big E's phasers are not powerful enough to effectively cut through the big G's armor. How much EM and KE energy can the shields take before they collapse? What is the yield of a photon torpedo of the TOS-era? Kiloton, megaton, gigaton? How much KE can the gun batteries on the big G dish out? What are the yields of the Big G's missiles, can they hit a fast-moving ship like the big E, or are they intended for orbital bombardment only.

How much KE are the guns on Vipers? What yield are their missile warheads? Can Vipers even keep up with the sublight speeds of the big E to be meaningful combatants?

So in order to really answer the question, you have to answer all of those variables first.
-Mike

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:30 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:
PunkMaister wrote:I'd say the TOS enterprise Pwns NBSG Galactica by far and wide. The enterprise has the benefit of shields, phaser banks and photon torpedoes. All the NBSG Galactica has are nukes which would be mostly ineffectual against the Enterprise's shields. The fighters would not make that much of a difference either. The only advantage the NBSG Galactica has over TOS enterprise in fact is it's point to point FTL.
Well, but if you can't quantify any of those weapons, it's useless. Maybe the big E's phasers are not powerful enough to effectively cut through the big G's armor. How much EM and KE energy can the shields take before they collapse? What is the yield of a photon torpedo of the TOS-era? Kiloton, megaton, gigaton? How much KE can the gun batteries on the big G dish out? What are the yields of the Big G's missiles, can they hit a fast-moving ship like the big E, or are they intended for orbital bombardment only.

How much KE are the guns on Vipers? What yield are their missile warheads? Can Vipers even keep up with the sublight speeds of the big E to be meaningful combatants?

So in order to really answer the question, you have to answer all of those variables first.
-Mike

Well if we take Mike Wong's figures to heart about TNG era photorps which according to his site range in about 64 megatons. Then TOS photon torpedoes should be in the megaton range as well although we don't know if it's lower or higher, in the show Enterprise we saw energy beams that dwarf in power anything they had by the TNG era. But is safe to say that they would be in megaton range that is for certain...

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:25 pm

Why take anything on Mike Wong's website, which is written in a dishonest propagandist style, at face value? If the TNG TM is correct, then the maximum theoretical yield for a TNG-era torpedo is 64 megatons. However, there is a great deal of evidence that torpedo yields canonically can be much higher than that. At the very least, ENT-era torpedoes are megaton range at their maximum yield based on Lt. Reed's comment about a photonic torpedo being able to put a 3 km crater into an asteroid.
-Mike

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:54 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:Why take anything on Mike Wong's website, which is written in a dishonest propagandist style, at face value? If the TNG TM is correct, then the maximum theoretical yield for a TNG-era torpedo is 64 megatons. However, there is a great deal of evidence that torpedo yields canonically can be much higher than that. At the very least, ENT-era torpedoes are megaton range at their maximum yield based on Lt. Reed's comment about a photonic torpedo being able to put a 3 km crater into an asteroid.
-Mike

Why do you think I said if? ;D Honestly why no smilies?

Anyhow as I posted Earlier in Enterprise Era we see some really serious firepower by some weapons that dwarf anything after such as the Martian based comet/asteroid bashing weapon the Earth first group tried to use to derail the negotiations of what would latter become the Federation. Or the Xindi weapon itself.

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:54 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:Why take anything on Mike Wong's website, which is written in a dishonest propagandist style, at face value? If the TNG TM is correct, then the maximum theoretical yield for a TNG-era torpedo is 64 megatons. However, there is a great deal of evidence that torpedo yields canonically can be much higher than that. At the very least, ENT-era torpedoes are megaton range at their maximum yield based on Lt. Reed's comment about a photonic torpedo being able to put a 3 km crater into an asteroid.
-Mike

Why do you think I said if? ;D Honestly why no smilies?

Anyhow as I posted Earlier in Enterprise Era we see some really serious firepower by some weapons that dwarf anything after such as the Martian based comet/asteroid bashing weapon the Earth first group tried to use to derail the negotiations of what would latter become the Federation. Or the Xindi weapon itself.